| Author |
Message |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:22 pm Post subject: Air Conditioning repair - FAS 2.0 |
|
|
At the bottom of this first message, I will include the relevant information collected in this thread. Original message:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all,
I am repairing the stock Air Conditioning in my 1990 Westy. I've never used it since I bought the van seven years ago. The compressor had a crack, and a shorter belt had been installed. When installing the FAS engine 3 years ago, I left the compressor (new) unconnected.
I will change condenser, receiver-drier, all hoses and fittings (most likely Aeroquip EZ-Clip system). The compressor is new (came with the 2001-2005 Jetta AVH engine in the FAS kit). The sticker says R134a, so I am thinking of filling the system myself with Redtek.
I am going through the A/C master topics, which prove very useful.
A couple of questions:
1/ How do you decide how much PAG oil to use?
2/ How do you decide what size of hose to use?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summary (last updated Sept. 14th, 2025)
- Quantity of oil will be 240 cc (see page 2)
- Size of hose will be similar to original sizes (See DeLvxe's parts list page 1) _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH)
Last edited by VicVan on Sun Sep 14, 2025 9:06 pm; edited 3 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
A few pictures of the easy part. I was suprised by how good and clean everything looked, compaared to what some of you have posted. Was the A/C used at all? Who knows.
Looks brand new!
I have yet to test the blower motors, but the resistors look good. Their mounting brackets are the only things that broke. Even the drain pipe bits are in good condition.
Evaporator
I will be modifying the wiring as per the Wiring master topic. Will be discussed further in this topic. Looks good anyway. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
dhaavers Samba Member

Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 8490 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
|
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
Wow, that is super clean, nigh pristine!
[Following edited for bad info…my apologies]
IIRC, there is a chart for oil amounts in Bentley, yes? I believe #10 hose is for high pressure, #8 for the low pressure side.
It’s been 10 years since my last AC project so I may have forgotten & of course this needs verification but it’ll also bump your thread.
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS>
Last edited by dhaavers on Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
vanis13 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 4573 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
|
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| dhaavers wrote: |
Wow, that is super clean, nigh pristine!
IIRC, there is a chart for oil amounts in Bentley, yes? I believe #10 hose is for high pressure, #8 for the low pressure side. It’s been 10 years since my last AC project so I may have forgotten & of course this needs verification but it’ll also bump your thread.
- Dave |
Since typically smaller hoses are higher/liquid pressure the above statement is likely incorrect
(though technically/theoretically one could use a larger hose for higher/liquid it is the lower pressure that typically needs the larger volume of the lower pressure)
Oil amounts also vary depending on compressor oil ratio requirements and refrigerant type _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
www.SuperVanagon.com - some stuff I make |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
AustinGoneWild Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2019 Posts: 14 Location: Fort Collins, CO
|
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
One thing you can do to make things easy for you, is to remove your refrigerant hoses and take them to a local tubes and hoses type shop. They should be able to build new hoses with fittings. New hoses will contain refrigerant much better than the old R12 hoses.
Edit: also wanted to add that GW has replacement brackets. 255070124D is the part number.
| VicVan wrote: |
Hi all,
I am repairing the stock Air Conditioning in my 1990 Westy. I've never used it since I bought the van seven years ago. The compressor had a crack, and a shorter belt had been installed. When installing the FAS engine 3 years ago, I left the compressor (new) unconnected.
I will change condenser, receiver-drier, all hoses and fittings (most likely Aeroquip EZ-Clip system). The compressor is new (came with the 2001-2005 Jetta AVH engine in the FAS kit). The sticker says R134a, so I am thinking of filling the system myself with Redtek.
I am going through the A/C master topics, which prove very useful.
A couple of questions:
1/ How do you decide how much PAG oil to use?
2/ How do you decide what size of hose to use? |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| AustinGoneWild wrote: |
| One thing you can do to make things easy for you, is to remove your refrigerant hoses and take them to a local tubes and hoses type shop. They should be able to build new hoses with fittings. |
I would like to do that, but the problem is I have a non stock-engine, which requires modification of two of the stock hoses (the ones coming to and from the compressor). I will figure something out.
A few random thoughts/questions:
- My compressor says "SP-10 oil", so that's what I'll be putting in the system. I will thoroughly rinse the components I am reusing (condensator and expansion valve).
- The system will be filled with R134a if a shop does it, or Redtek if I do.
- Folks with engine conversions / non-stock A/C compressor: did you change the pressure switches? OR is the pressure they work at just fine?
- I am going over the elctrical improvements topic, and am figuring out which improvements I will be doing. More in this later. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MartinJS Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2019 Posts: 116 Location: Western Canada
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| VicVan wrote: |
| I would like to do that, but the problem is I have a non stock-engine, which requires modification of two of the stock hoses (the ones coming to and from the compressor). I will figure something out. |
I took mine to the shop. All the hoses were stock length and fitting orientation except the 2 hoses for the compressor which were left a little longer than needed with no fittings at the compressor end only. Measuring can get you close to the correct length for these.
Installed the new hoses once manufactured, then went back to the shop and have them install the 2 fittings for the compressor. This way they can cut the hose to the correct length and get the orientation of the fittings correct before crimping at the compressor. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MartinJS Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2019 Posts: 116 Location: Western Canada
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| Sorry, just realized previous poster said hose and fittings shop, not AC shop. Mine I had made by local automotive AC shop. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MarkWard Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 19020 Location: Retired South Florida
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
Not sure if the compressors are similar, but using the TDI compressor I found adapters to convert the compressor to conventional AC hose ends. Probably in my notes.
I also had to modify the inside of the compressor to get compatible low pressure values to work with conventional expansion valves.
I also used R134. If you don’t have the equipment an AC shop can recover it if you need to change a component. Red Tek, you’re likely blowing it off into space. Ok if your ac works first swing, not if you find you need to modify the compressor. I’m not familiar with your compressor, but similar era.
Later compressors do away with the clutch completely. That’s another hill to conquer. I’ve not taken that on. I understand it’s solvable. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
wesitarz Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2012 Posts: 1766 Location: Victoria,B.C.Canada
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| VicVan wrote: |
Hi all,
I am repairing the stock Air Conditioning in my 1990 Westy. I've never used it since I bought the van seven years ago. The compressor had a crack, and a shorter belt had been installed. When installing the FAS engine 3 years ago, I left the compressor (new) unconnected.
I will change condenser, receiver-drier, all hoses and fittings (most likely Aeroquip EZ-Clip system). The compressor is new (came with the 2001-2005 Jetta AVH engine in the FAS kit). The sticker says R134a, so I am thinking of filling the system myself with Redtek.
I am going through the A/C master topics, which prove very useful.
A couple of questions:
1/ How do you decide how much PAG oil to use?
2/ How do you decide what size of hose to use? |
I thought I saw the amount of oil needed in the long A/C topic. I was looking at YouTube car A/C videos that show diagrams of the hi and lo sides. (Lo side bigger size hose only from the expansion valve/evaporator to the compressor, I believe)
https://www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/ ( Subie Engine-3) shows mod of the vanagon compressor fittings. Maybe you could do similar if you got the compressor fittings for youe engine from a wrecker (Malahat) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| MartinJS wrote: |
I took mine to the shop. All the hoses were stock length and fitting orientation except the 2 hoses for the compressor which were left a little longer than needed with no fittings at the compressor end only. Measuring can get you close to the correct length for these.
Installed the new hoses once manufactured, then went back to the shop and have them install the 2 fittings for the compressor. This way they can cut the hose to the correct length and get the orientation of the fittings correct before crimping at the compressor. |
That sounds really good. So they installed the compressor-side fittings in the van directly? _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| MarkWard wrote: |
| I also had to modify the inside of the compressor to get compatible low pressure values to work with conventional expansion valves. |
I'll ask FAS (manufacturer of the engine conversion kit) how they do this. I did not realize the pressures would be different. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| wesitarz wrote: |
I thought I saw the amount of oil needed in the long A/C topic. I was looking at YouTube car A/C videos that show diagrams of the hi and lo sides. (Lo side bigger size hose only from the expansion valve/evaporator to the compressor, I believe)
https://www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/ ( Subie Engine-3) shows mod of the vanagon compressor fittings. Maybe you could do similar if you got the compressor fittings for youe engine from a wrecker (Malahat) |
Thanks! _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
DeLvxe Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2019 Posts: 143 Location: Seattle
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
I am at the tail end of doing what you are doing: just finished putting the system together and about to pull a vacuum.
This is an all new system in a subaru swapped 1991 camper. I used EZ clips throughout, replaced the compressor, condenser, and receiver. Cleaned and reused the evaporator and expansion valve. I am working on a write up and parts list, but will add the draft to your post. The system will use 134a refrigerant.
About your oil question, the info is in the Bentley. If I remember correctly, it is 0.3 oz in each of the receiver, the high pressure hose, and the low pressure hose. The evaporator gets 5.something oz of oil. I used PAG 100. Feel free to DM me your phone number if you want to talk.
To get you started, here is my parts list and diagram of the system. Yours should be exactly the same with the exception of the connection to the compressor -- this wil depend on the location / orientation of your compressor, the specific adapters, and how you want to route the hoses.
I suggest you take all the hoses out -- go ahead and cut them to make it easier. Pay careful attention to hose routing and take some photos. you can take some measurments of the three sizes of hose (-6, -8, and -10), but you should be able to use the lengths in my parts list.
_________________ 1991 manual camper with EJ25
Last edited by DeLvxe on Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:56 am; edited 3 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 24288 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
|
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
The refrigerant dictates the oil type, not the compressor. Make sure you know what’s in the system before adding any oil. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MartinJS Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2019 Posts: 116 Location: Western Canada
|
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| VicVan wrote: |
| MartinJS wrote: |
I took mine to the shop. All the hoses were stock length and fitting orientation except the 2 hoses for the compressor which were left a little longer than needed with no fittings at the compressor end only. Measuring can get you close to the correct length for these.
Installed the new hoses once manufactured, then went back to the shop and have them install the 2 fittings for the compressor. This way they can cut the hose to the correct length and get the orientation of the fittings correct before crimping at the compressor. |
That sounds really good. So they installed the compressor-side fittings in the van directly? |
Yes, cut lines and crimped connectors in the engine compartment. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
vanis13 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 4573 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
|
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| Abscate wrote: |
| The refrigerant dictates the oil type, not the compressor. Make sure you know what’s in the system before adding any oil. |
True
| DeLvxe wrote: |
About your oil question, the info is in the Bentley. If I remember correctly, it is 0.3 oz in each of the receiver, the high pressure hose, and the low pressure hose. The evaporator gets 5.something oz of oil. |
You will notice that if you add those numbers up they do not match the total oil for the system....Those are "if component is replaced" number...and that number may change depending on what refrigerant/oil ratio your compressor requires. These quantities are for the original R12.
The total oil , again, depends on refrigerant/oil ratio your compressor requires and that needs the volume capacity of the system. _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
www.SuperVanagon.com - some stuff I make |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1984 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
DeLvxe! Wow! That is going to be so helpful. Thanks. It might be helpful to talk on the phone, when I'm further along.
Compressor: Is it the same model than the stock Subaru-provided one?
Hoses: you used the same sizes for the new hoses?
Fittings #8 and #9 on your list: what are these? where is the OEM port?
| Abscate wrote: |
| The refrigerant dictates the oil type, not the compressor. Make sure you know what’s in the system before adding any oil. |
Abscate: The system will be empty, save for what's in the new compressor: SP-10. I will therefore be using SP-10 (or its compatible replacement SP-15) in my system.
| vanis13 wrote: |
| The total oil , again, depends on refrigerant/oil ratio your compressor requires and that needs the volume capacity of the system. |
I see. How/where do I find this information?
edit: I've found the Sanden SV service manual (here: https://sanden.com/servicemanual/ ). Page 9:
6.8 Oil Charge
• Oil Circulation Ratio (OCR) should be between 3.3% and 8% ratio of oil to refrigerant by weight.
I'll check if the numbers in the Bentley match this. Not sure how to estimate the weight of refrigerant that goes in the system though. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
dobryan Samba Member

Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 17272 Location: Brookeville, MD
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
vanis13 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 4573 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
|
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2025 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Air Conditioning repair |
|
|
| VicVan wrote: |
DeLvxe! Wow! That is going to be so helpful. Thanks. It might be helpful to talk on the phone, when I'm further along.
Compressor: Is it the same model than the stock Subaru-provided one?
Hoses: you used the same sizes for the new hoses?
Fittings #8 and #9 on your list: what are these? where is the OEM port?
| Abscate wrote: |
| The refrigerant dictates the oil type, not the compressor. Make sure you know what’s in the system before adding any oil. |
Abscate: The system will be empty, save for what's in the new compressor: SP-10. I will therefore be using SP-10 (or its compatible replacement SP-15) in my system.
| vanis13 wrote: |
| The total oil , again, depends on refrigerant/oil ratio your compressor requires and that needs the volume capacity of the system. |
I see. How/where do I find this information?
edit: I've found the Sanden SV service manual (here: https://sanden.com/servicemanual/ ). Page 9:
[b]6.8 Oil Charge
• Oil Circulation Ratio (OCR) should be between 3.3% and 8% ratio of oil to refrigerant by weight.[/b]
I'll check if the numbers in the Bentley match this. Not sure how to estimate the weight of refrigerant that goes in the system though. |
that % seems extremely low as often it is close to 25%. (the 3.3-8% OCR possibly for a different refrigerant or a different tech compressor?)
in the link you gave the USA market manual does not have the language you quoted. please provide a specific link/screen shot/filename _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
www.SuperVanagon.com - some stuff I make |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|