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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2025 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

The engine number is GE044339.

Based on the photo of the pushrod tubes, the measurements indicate that I have the early model tubes. GE (late-model) is a export model and are never sold in Europe, so have to search for late model tubes.

Here in the Netherlands, complete kits are not available; the parts must be ordered separately. I have found a reseller in France that sells both green and black seals. Very Happy

(stoterstangpijpjes translate to pushrod, and they are red Sad )
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2025 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

05gh wrote:
The engine number is GE044339.

Based on the photo of the pushrod tubes, the measurements indicate that I have the early model tubes. GE (late-model) is a export model and are never sold in Europe, so have to search for late model tubes.

Here in the Netherlands, complete kits are not available; the parts must be ordered separately. I have found a reseller in France that sells both green and black seals. Very Happy

(stoterstangpijpjes translate to pushrod, and they are red Sad )
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So, this is a US spec bus in Europe right?

And, it appears that you have the earlier pushrod tubes.

Question: did these earlier pushrod tubes come installed in the engine you have?

They will work. Notice from the measurements I posted that the OD of the earlier PR tubes are actually 0.010" larger than the newer PR tubes. Not enough to be significant.

I suspect they are really supposed to be identical but the older/early tube I have is unused/new and the later model tube in my picture has 50 years of miles ane movement and dents on it.

Also notice that even though the head end groove on the early model tubes you have is slightly narrower than the later model ones.....its not narrower enough to prevent you from putting the green seals on it. And, the ID is the same on both.

Putting the green seals on the head end of the early model tubes you have makes them a tight fit in the heat...but lubricate them well and twist them while tapping them in and they will fit.

To start with just get some black inner seals, put the green seals on the outer end and give the pR tubes you have another try. Ray
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

…does nobody else look at this picture and just see a plain old installation error?

Can we see a picture of the other side of this seal, in the head rocker area?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

airschooled wrote:
…does nobody else look at this picture and just see a plain old installation error?

Can we see a picture of the other side of this seal, in the head rocker area?

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I'm curious to hear what you notice. I’ve ordered some new parts, and I’ll share pictures once I take it apart again
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

it is almost as if the o-ring rolled off on the top inside of the head side when it was installed. The lighting makes it hard but it looks like it pinched and did not stay all the way around the tube.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

Hard to tell and e-diagnose from that one pic, but a great point regardless.

It could just be the smaller seal has pushed back in the groove.

Likely a combo of wrong parts and lack of finesse with the install. Edit, throwing zero shade, it can be confusing and it does take a steady hand.

Carefully clean up the seal area and tube grooves w/ degreaser or brake clean. Use the larger green Viton seals coated with some Curil-T (SGK mentioned it too), and when installing give the tube a small twist and shimmy to keep the seal from rolling, and I bet that would fix most of the issue.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

Update: I have ordered a new set of pushrod seals, and there are some small but critical differences (all seals are Viton).

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Visually, the sets look identical.

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Despite having the same specifications and looking visually identical, there is still a 0.5 mm difference when I place them on the tubes.
I think this is the cause of the oil leak. A side note: the existing set (red and green) has been in the engine for 5,000 km.
In the coming week, I will install this new set. I will keep you informed about the results.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

update (see youtube)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bBuDQStU4yM

On the left side is the red seal, and on the right side is the green seal. Both have the same specifications but are made by different manufacturers. The green one has a tighter fit, which I believe will help stop the oil leak. I have replaced the red seals with the green ones. I will run a few heat cycles and then check for any oil leaks.

I also did some calculations: the bore in the cylinder is approximately 31.7 mm. As mentioned earlier, the red seal measures 31.7 mm and the green seal 32.0 mm. This means the red seal will not be compressed, while the green seal will be compressed by about 0.3 mm.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

05gh wrote:
update (see youtube)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bBuDQStU4yM

On the left side is the red seal, and on the right side is the green seal. Both have the same specifications but are made by different manufacturers. The green one has a tighter fit, which I believe will help stop the oil leak. I have replaced the red seals with the green ones. I will run a few heat cycles and then check for any oil leaks.

I also did some calculations: the bore in the cylinder is approximately 31.7 mm. As mentioned earlier, the red seal measures 31.7 mm and the green seal 32.0 mm. This means the red seal will not be compressed, while the green seal will be compressed by about 0.3 mm.


Thanks this helps. I think I have the same issue. Correction: I have green seal but I piniched them on the install.

Where is the best place to buy quality seals (full set of inner and outer)?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Pushrod tube type4 still keeps leaking after replacing the seals Reply with quote

poundman wrote:
05gh wrote:
update (see youtube)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bBuDQStU4yM

On the left side is the red seal, and on the right side is the green seal. Both have the same specifications but are made by different manufacturers. The green one has a tighter fit, which I believe will help stop the oil leak. I have replaced the red seals with the green ones. I will run a few heat cycles and then check for any oil leaks.

I also did some calculations: the bore in the cylinder is approximately 31.7 mm. As mentioned earlier, the red seal measures 31.7 mm and the green seal 32.0 mm. This means the red seal will not be compressed, while the green seal will be compressed by about 0.3 mm.


Thanks this helps. I think I have the same issue. I have red seal and I think I need green seal.

Where is the best place to buy quality seals (full set of inner and outer)?


Just to be clear....I think 05gh means the red and green seals are the same material when he notes "same specifications". That would be tur. Both are viton.

However, the green seals as mentioned and shown earlier in this thread are thicker in cross section. You can see this in 05gh's pictures and its listed in the specs.


So look at the pictures and measurements I posted of both early and late tubes. If you have early tubes.....while they "should" work with the early red seals.....they will probably work better with the late green seals.

If you have late pushrod tubes....use the green seals. The inner end of both early and late use the smaller black seal. Ray
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