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maxcrucial Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006 Posts: 74
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: Vanagon Porsche engine |
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can a 944 1982 engine go into a 84 vanagon and what changes must be done? thanx troy |
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walrus Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2005 Posts: 507 Location: ashland ky
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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I wonder if a 944 turbo will work as well. _________________ 1987 Syncro west. conversion
1991 Jetta gli |
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SlowLane Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1044 Location: Livermore, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Hell, why not a 928? Go for broke.
With enough time, money and determination, pretty much any engine swap can be accomplished (within reason, of course). The question is: is it worth the trouble and expense? Will the engine that propels a lightweight Porsche to Ludicrous Speed be happy pushing an overweight box around? Will the engine's powerband be a good match for the Vanagon's gearbox ratios? Will the engine stick up through the hatch and require a custom box to cover it?
Whatever. It doesn't look like Kennedy makes an adapter for the 944 engine, so you're looking at building your own adapter, for starters. I'd expect that it would just get more complicated from there. _________________ Present:
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: |
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The 944 is a tuned LT, I thought. I would guess, maybe, that the I4 adapator might work. Give them a call. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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Ericthenorse Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2004 Posts: 782 Location: Los Osos CA.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I believe that the 944 belhousing will work on a vanagon... _________________ '69 bug--rusty as hell
'91 vanagon carrat-slammed,5 speed,4 wheel disks,17x8.5's |
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maxiwesty Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: 92? 944 Porsche engine |
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Hi, there....
I have wondered the same thing, since I have an 83 944 parts car and a 1984 Vanagon Westfalia......
but didn't Porsche introduce the 944 into the US in 93?
It probably can be done, but you would have to take the van and the Porsche engine parts to someone who specializes in van engine conversions.....
myself, I went for a 93 Maxima V6 in the Westy....
works great and a nice clean install.....
best.....
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SlowLane Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1044 Location: Livermore, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I've never worked on a Porsche of any description, not even a 914, but I slavishly followed Porsche development in the early '80s timeframe.
The 924 (introduced in the mid-late 70's), on which the 944 (introduced in the early 80's) was based, had an Audi in-line 4 banger. With the popularity of the platform (which some say saved Porsche from financial ruin), they decided to get serious with it and created a Porsche-designed engine based on the 928. Among other things, the 944 engine had dual counterbalance shafts which Porsche had to license from some Japanese company (Mitsubishi?). I saw a picture of the beast once. The serpentine timing belts looked to be a royal PITA to replace.
They might have designed the new engine to bolt up to the existing drivetrain, so it's possible that the Audi I4 adapter will work. This is just conjecture, though. I don't know for sure.
Wikipedia has a pretty extensive writeup of the 944. Worth a look.
Nissan Maxima, eh? Have any photos to share? _________________ Present:
'81 Westfalia: 2L, manual. Originally Canadian, now Californiated
Back in the day:
'72 Super Beetle
'69 Camper Van - Corvair powered
'71 Window Van - Transferred Corvair from '69
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mightyart Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 6188 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Beaker Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2005 Posts: 133 Location: Waterloo, ON, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ya Maxi, I also would like to see some pics of your set up! |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I reviewed the Maxi site too. What is the milage you get? The ground clearance seened to be an issue; so it looked via the pictures. CA smog legal is a very good thing.
But, my, oh my, it sure hurts my Teutonic heart to see that. The Suby was bad, the Ford worse, but now, somehow, gee.....that sure is a stretch for me now, I admit. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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Beaker Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2005 Posts: 133 Location: Waterloo, ON, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yikes! I looked at the site and that engine is practically dragging. Not for me. |
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Deep_Blue Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 161 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I did a 914 engine into an 81 westy, and besides the crossmember it fit right in. The only thing about doing a 944 into an 84 is the height...that's why it sits so low in that pic probably...
Maxi, do you have any pics of that V6 swap? I would love to know how you did that. I saw a GM 2.8 V6 in a 75 westy and thought it was outrageous!! |
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mightyart Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 6188 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Deep_Blue wrote: |
I did a 914 engine into an 81 westy, and besides the crossmember it fit right in. |
Why did you do that? _________________ My Art:
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amtjk Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I helped a friend install a 911 2.7liter in a 86 GL about 7 years ago. Wasnt too difficult. Biggest problem was the heater conversion and the transaxle adaptor I believe. Also had to cut up into the cabin through the access door for the exploding airbox to fit. I drove it once, before he had upgraded the suspension and brakes. Not the best powerband for its weight, but when the revs started to climb, it was a whole lotta fun. He had planned a complete "Vanagon S" makeover, including color keyed Fuchs and mirrors, 911S seats, headlight wipers and SC bumpers.
He moved to NY and I dont know if it ever got finished, but it certainly had the right amount of power and would have looked awesome.
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Deep_Blue Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 161 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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I did the 914 swap cause the original 81 westy motor leaked a quart a mile....and some jacka$$ spot welded a spark plug into number 3, and when it popped loose there was no way to get another one to stay in. The weld melted the screwhole.
The 914 wasn't much better...a month later I had to put in a 78 bus motor. Then that one overheated and blew up.
Waterboxers are so much better. I'll never go back to aircooled.
Side question...does Subaru still put H4 motors into the new cars? I think that they had them in the old Legacys, but don't have a clue on new ones. |
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amtjk Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Yep. The h4 boxer is the mainstay of Subaru. The new Tribeca uses a 6 cylinder boxer, but all the other models use the h4 in various displacements and asperations. The old Legacy used a 1.8 and the new standard is 2.5l.
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mr_vanagon Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 589 Location: Southern Illinois (GO SALUKIS)
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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I hear subi is working on an H4 diesel. Anybody see anything on this? Car show? |
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Deep_Blue Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 161 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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If they do, that's my next engine. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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H4 TDI. I am there on that one! Wonder if they would sell a kit?
"Hey Mr Suby dealer, can I buy an H4 TDi and you keep the body?" _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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r39o Samba Polizei
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Then again, you just never know when the new car you just bought was found stripped...... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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