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buggen Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2003 Posts: 604
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: Okrasa and a Convertible W decklid? |
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Stuffed the Okrasa in my vert last night and as I was hoping would not be the case the Knetch (sp) air cleaners don't fit with the convertible decklid. Anyone run this set up before? On the right side I think there is less then 2 inches of clearance. I was thinking maybe the mushroom style bug air cleaners might work. Anyone have 2 of those for sale or can someone measure the height of a mushroom air cleaner starting above the clamp?
Thanks,
Matt |
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insanitize Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2003 Posts: 138 Location: Queens, NY
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Regular mushrooms will hit. You (and I) need to find those ever elusive offset mushroom air cleaner. I have seen them a few times but the owner don't want to sell them.
Forgot to mention mushrooms fit if you take out or <gasp> bend the drip rails |
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buggen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Bummer that not what I was hopping to hear, but thanks for the info. There is one off set mushroom air cleaner for sale in the classifieds and it's only $1000, now if I could just find another one. Have you tried any of the cheesy after market chrome air cleaners? There are some low profile type 4 air cleaner I saw that might work. I would be happy with anything for now just so I could start driving it while I look for something a little more vintage. |
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Yustrn JHC Controla
Joined: August 01, 2000 Posts: 5478 Location: Ovaland, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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why don't you just have someone make some offset mounts for your current aircleaners that push them back to the firewall more? I'm sure someone with aircleaner fabrication skill could be found in the cal look forum, I know Kafer Dave had some crazy aircleaners made for his 48's to fit the decklid without having offsets.....just an idea! _________________ I own a copy of "The Car of the Century" by Garwood. This means I am authorized to act like a twat in thesamba forums. |
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buggen Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2003 Posts: 604
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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An offset would be cool so I could still use the Okrasa air cleaners. I will have to look into that for sure. Just seems like there had to be a solution for this problem back when Okrasas were being sold. They made the turn downs for Ghias seem like they would have had something for convertibles. |
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Brezelwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2003 Posts: 1421 Location: Tyngsboro, MA
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Having someone fabricate (basically reuse the existing carb throat flange ring) offset is the way to go, I'm sure its been done before on Hebs a few times, not a difficult thing to have done by your local metal shop.
Gary |
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dailydrivervw Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Just seems like there had to be a solution for this problem back when |
That's what I thought after finding out a Judson aircleaner won't fit in an oval convert. Years ago, I think I used the shorter 40hp 28 carb to get the Judson set-up to fit.
You should be able to get a talented metal guy to fab something that looks correct.
I'll bet many ovals got the water drain boxes cut off "back when" |
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Yustrn JHC Controla
Joined: August 01, 2000 Posts: 5478 Location: Ovaland, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: |
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something like this comes to mind
this obviously is a Bus Elbow, but I'm sure you could go down to your local hardware store, but a normal "elbow" in a size that would fit, cut a slit in it, grab a normal aircleaner clamp ring, and then put your other aircleaner on (don't know if there will be enough room without seeing it) and do it like an old school hook up like they did for Ghias....just a thought while I'm at work. _________________ I own a copy of "The Car of the Century" by Garwood. This means I am authorized to act like a twat in thesamba forums. |
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Richard Roth Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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This might help.
Many people use the wrong aircleaners on Okrasa kits.
There is an alternate unit made by MANN.
The mann aircleaner is also much thinner, hence more clearance.
Here is one for sale in the classifieds right now !
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=264049 _________________ The problem with reality is that there's no background music !
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1954 Kabriolett Beetle
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1957 Cable brake standard model
1962 cable brake standard model
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buggen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Richard Roth wrote: |
This might help.
Many people use the wrong aircleaners on Okrasa kits.
The correct unit is made by MANN, not Knecht.
The mann aircleaner is also much thinner, hence more clearance.
Here is one for sale in the classifieds right now !
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=264049 |
I will have to check my Okrasa literature again but I am pretty sure that Knecht is the correct air cleaner. |
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Richard Roth Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I just did some checking and have seen Okrasa literature with both Mann And Knecht aircleaners.
So I guess either might be correct.
However, the Mann aircleaner might give you the needed clearance. _________________ The problem with reality is that there's no background music !
1966 Empi GTV MKIV
1954 Kabriolett Beetle
1953 Porsche 356 1500S
1957 Cable brake standard model
1962 cable brake standard model
1956 23 window Samba
1960 Austin Healey 3000
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RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14576 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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buggen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I will have to check that out. I think modifying the Knecht air cleaners will be the best solution. BUT I hate the idea of cutting up my beautifully restored Knecht air cleaners. I think the first thing I will try is some kind of adaptor to move the air cleaner back with out cutting them up. Maybe if I can't make something work I will look for a ruff pair of Knecht air cleaners to modify. |
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69judson Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2005 Posts: 200 Location: Los Angeles Thousand Oaks
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I use a set of knecht cleaners from a porsche 356A and have no clearance issues. I am also useing a 56 convertible deck lid. However I took the rain catchers off so I may have a little more room. |
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buggen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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69judson wrote: |
I use a set of knecht cleaners from a porsche 356A and have no clearance issues. I am also useing a 56 convertible deck lid. However I took the rain catchers off so I may have a little more room. |
The rain catchers are the only issue. My Okrasa has no clearance problems in my split bug. |
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Dave Haviland Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2005 Posts: 322 Location: Burlington, Vermont
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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What about regular 36 horse oil bath cleaners? They have an offset.
Dave |
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