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sgmalt46
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John Moxon 
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Dr. Jeckill
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I don't see why you should call this counterfeit. Nowhere is stated that this is a real Judson, heck I think he even never talks about Judson at all.
This is more like what I would call a replica. Nothing wrong with that.
Unless you're afraid of prices of the real stuff dropping like a brick. But look at Berms, you can't exactly say that since they where replicated the prices have gone down?
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oval56
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it is a ultra nice working replika... better engineered blower than the judson....
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Shane
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Where you really run into problems is when someone tries to use these reproduction parts to rebuild a genuine Judson. Could be bad news.
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John Moxon
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Bruce
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If you don't believe in Copyright...you won't see a problem. |
Copyright only applies to printed or recorded material. To protect a manufactured item requires a patent. Any patents a Judson may have had will have run out 3-4 decades ago. |
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53 0val
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There have been "counterfeit" Okrasas for years. 
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Northstate Trev
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People replicate everything, Musclecars,speed parts, Boats. Some people get pissed, some people enjoy the look and performance without the huge expense. Buy one, run it, enjoy it and put your precious orig unit in a museum for another generation to enjoy-
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markm
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| I call them repops or repro, some even call them reproductions. |
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PEPPE
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what about the FLAT4 repro of the judson of some years ago?
i heard they ran a little repro production and then stopped.
does someone know somthing about that? |
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John Moxon
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Bruce
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| There have been "counterfeit" Okrasas for years. |
I've heard that too. Ordinary Porsche 356 (or 912) cranks are de-stroked, then stamped with the letters Okrasa. Or was it EMPI? It is a great way to save a worn out Porsche crank though. |
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53 0val
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There are many more Okrasa motors in VWs today than Okrasa ever produced. It's a joke............. If one half the supposed Okrasa motors were more than one half actual Okrasa I would be suprised. 
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dinsdale
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| There are many more Okrasa motors in VWs today than Okrasa ever produced. It's a joke............. If one half the supposed Okrasa motors were more than one half actual Okrasa I would be suprised. |
Copying the crank and manifolds would seem easy but what about the heads?
In fact, if anybody is producing repro Okrasa heads I'd be really interested 
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vwdmc16
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i'd buy one if it is cheaper than OG judson, how much is 1500 euros?
also what is with the swastika shaped rotor? where judsons like that? |
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