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coW Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 2096 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: Turbine HVLP sprayers |
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I am looking to buy a turbine HVLP sprayer in the not too distant future. My compressor does ok spraying small things but don't think it would be able to to a car.
Are those units that can be had for around $500 any good? (Accuspray, Fuji) |
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ddare Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 583 Location: Cypress, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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If you buy a turbine system, you'll have to buy a gun that's specifically made for it, but you probably already knew that. However, most of these Turbine guns have adapters so you can use them with a compressor. I don't think you can use any compressor guns on a turbine system though.
That being said, I think they're pretty good units, with their benefits and limitations...
Benefits:
- Uses very little paint
- Very little overspray, most of the overspray on the floor sweeps right off
- portable
- turbine air is completely dry, so you don't need any filters
Limitations:
- No pressure setting (!)
- The air coming out of the gun is heated and this can kind of muddle things in term of which speed reducer to use
- without the pressure setting, you have to be spot on with your needle adjustment and with air cap and nozzle sizes.
- Not so popular in the autobody world so jobbers rarely know much about them
Just a couple off the top of my head. I am getting used to mine, but I find that I spend a lot of time wet sanding. But that's because I have a suction gun instead of a gravity fed gun. Buy a good condition, used turbine and a new gravity fed gun ($300) if you can. The bigger turbine, the better too. I use a 3-stage with OK results, I'd like to give a 4-stage a shot though. |
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coW Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 2096 Location: New England
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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ddare wrote: |
If you buy a turbine system, you'll have to buy a gun that's specifically made for it, but you probably already knew that. However, most of these Turbine guns have adapters so you can use them with a compressor. I don't think you can use any compressor guns on a turbine system though.
That being said, I think they're pretty good units, with their benefits and limitations...
Benefits:
- Uses very little paint
- Very little overspray, most of the overspray on the floor sweeps right off
- portable
- turbine air is completely dry, so you don't need any filters
Limitations:
- No pressure setting (!)
- The air coming out of the gun is heated and this can kind of muddle things in term of which speed reducer to use
- without the pressure setting, you have to be spot on with your needle adjustment and with air cap and nozzle sizes.
- Not so popular in the autobody world so jobbers rarely know much about them
Just a couple off the top of my head. I am getting used to mine, but I find that I spend a lot of time wet sanding. But that's because I have a suction gun instead of a gravity fed gun. Buy a good condition, used turbine and a new gravity fed gun ($300) if you can. The bigger turbine, the better too. I use a 3-stage with OK results, I'd like to give a 4-stage a shot though. |
Is the way it sprays and feels totally different than the regular HVLP guns? I've sprayed urethane on wood projects which worked really well but those projects were much smaller than a bug.
I like the fact that I don't need to change compressors, because I don't really have much room for a huge compressor at the moment. Mine is 35 gallon - pretty good, but not enough to run most guns.
What setup did you decide on?
The one I am looking at is three stage - this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000UJI1W/ref=e_...p;n=228013
This one is suction fed.
Accuspray makes a four stage, gravity fed - that one might also be in the running, but is about $300 more. |
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OB Bus Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 2541 Location: Ocean Beach in Beautiful BLUE California
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itlives Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2005 Posts: 1424 Location: Shreveport La
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I've used HVLP's for 14 years-I also have regular compressor set-up. The hvlp is far better IMHO. Try this www.lex-aire.com . They have what you want . I do use harbor freight for a lot but not for something that I want to last a long time. Lex-aire has great customer service too. If you call, ask for Chris. Tell him what you want it for and he'll fix you up.
I paid $960 for mine but it has a built-in oiless compressor to run a 2.5 gallon pressure pot. I use mine 6 days a week.
You'll never have fish eyes unless you don't prep right. You'll never have water in your lines. On hot days you may have to use a little slower thinner or reducer as the turbine heats the air. Go for a good one you won't regret it. |
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coW Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 2096 Location: New England
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Will definitely check it all out. I'd like to get one that I could use for wood work as well.
Not saying price is not an object, but hate getting tools that don't work right - sometimes you pay for that.
Too bad they won't let you try one before you get it.. |
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BIG MAC Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2003 Posts: 105 Location: Hemet, Ca
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Depending on the size of your compressor and the CFM that it puts out, you may be able to buy a high quality gun that shoots at low CFM. Take a look a Iwata spray guns. They are one of the better brands of guns out there but with one advantage, the work at low CFM, about 7. For a nice clear gun look at model lph400. |
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Naked Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2004 Posts: 568 Location: Lincoln, Ca
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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BIG MAC wrote: |
For a nice clear gun look at model lph400. |
I totally agree, I use the Iwata LPH400 Daily. Probably the most effortless gun to spray with. I own 3 Sata2000 I use for basecoat but I leave all the clearing to my LPH400. _________________
68' Vert
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coW Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 2096 Location: New England
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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That does sound interesting.
My compressor is 6 HP, 30 gallon. I think it can do 9 SCFM at 90 PSI, obviously lots more at lower pressure.
What sort of pressure does this gun need?
Would I need two guns for coat and clear? |
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VolksWatson Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2005 Posts: 177 Location: Tyler, Tx
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I have a harbor freight just down the road from me. I have never painted before. Would you recommend something like this for me? I am just a hobbyist, so I won't be doing a lot of painting. My next job would be in several years...
I hate to go to Maaco. I want to do it myself, I want it to look decent and most imortantly-LAST!
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itlives Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2005 Posts: 1424 Location: Shreveport La
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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chirpper, you say you won't be doing a lot of painting , that tells me you should join a club and enlist help. You be a good member in standing for a while and you'll get the help you need. Painting is an art. The more you do the better you are. If you want to learn , then yes , your car is the best to learn on. Good Luck! |
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BIG MAC Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2003 Posts: 105 Location: Hemet, Ca
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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The Iwata uses about 30psi @ 7.5cfm, so it looks like you'll have enough compressor. You will be able to use the one gun for both base and clear, though it is nice to have dedicated guns if you paint professionally. |
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coW Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 2096 Location: New England
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
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BIG MAC wrote: |
The Iwata uses about 30psi @ 7.5cfm, so it looks like you'll have enough compressor. You will be able to use the one gun for both base and clear, though it is nice to have dedicated guns if you paint professionally. |
Thanks! I really appreciate the input and will weigh it all.
No, I don't paint professionally - this would in fact be my first car that I spray. Just making sure that when I start this, I don't have the disadvantage of using crappy tools. |
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vwsplitman Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2003 Posts: 322 Location: Plymouth, CT
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: Turbine sprayers |
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Hey Remco, I have a couple of turbine systems you can check out right here at the shop and Im only an hour from you. I think the one unit(Croix Im going to sell ). It is an exact copy of the Lex-Air which I also have used . The other unit is an AccuSpray(hvlp.com) and is a 4 stage unit. It has been used for doing all of my spraying of interior woodwork in the house(doors, trim etc) with polyurethane. Also have used it for primer, topcoats, and MasterSeries paints. If you want to come up and check out the turbine units email me and you can . No I dont sell the units, just like to use them for their many advantages. Chuck P |
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VolksWatson Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2005 Posts: 177 Location: Tyler, Tx
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't see any response on the Harbor Freight Turbine sprayers... Anyone had any experience with these?
Chirp |
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