matching 36 hp engine number to 58 ghia vert

fuscavw

I'm going to look at a bunch of complete 36 hp motors and want to try to come close in matching up one to my 58 vert. Its VIN is 1811840. I've searched a bit but can't seem to find anywhere that does a breakdown of chassis#/engine#, and was wondering if anyone could help me.
Thanks!

westcoast-paul · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/chassisdatingkg.php

engine # around: 1 937 450 is period correct.

retrowagen · Samba Member Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 1856

That Karmann Ghia was produced in the first or second week of February, 1958. Engine should actually be around 2 200 000
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fuscavw · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:

Hmm..now I'm confused. I thought it would be somewhere in between the numbers 1 678 209 and 1 937 450, but probably closer to the first. Can you explain this to me, retrowagen? Again, I appreciate your help.

retrowagen · Samba Member Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 1856

Since the 36-hp was used in the Transporters (Type 2 vehicles) as well as the Type 1's (Beetle and Karmann-Ghia), and Types 1 and 2 were on completely different serial number systems, it didn't take long for the engine serial number to surpass the Type 1 chassis number. For instance, my original-engined late September 1957 Ghia has engine 1996xxx on chassis 1654xxx. This was verified by the Geburtsurkunde from VW. Your KG was built at some point in the first couple of weeks in February, 1958. It took engines and other hard parts roughly one month from production in Wolfsburg to car build date at Karmann in Osnabrück. From the table here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php, one can see that the serial number range of engines produced in January 1958 (for Beetles built in Wolfsburg, who benefitted from being built entirely on site with engines sourced on site, with very little warehousing), that something from 2200000 through 2225000 or so would be plausible as a proper engine serial number for that build date.
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fuscavw · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject:

This now makes sense to me. Thanks, retrowagen!

DaveM · Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:

my May built 58 vert has an engine # of 2 348 510
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cruiser · Samba Member Joined: March 20, 2003 Posts: 206

Here's yet another chart:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/RockStock/ProdFigs.jpg

fuscavw · Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:00 am Post subject:

Your comments have really cleared things up for me. That last chart is perfect and will be great to use as a quick reference. Thanks!

retrowagen · Samba Member Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 1856

The problem with RockStock's production chart is that those numbers and dates correspond to Beetle production, not Karmann-Ghia production. Both vehicles shared chassis and engine number ranges, but the equivalent Karmann product came off the production line circa one month after the equivalent Beetle (date shown on chart). Make the appropriate date adjustment and you're in the ballpark.

Oh, and don't get me started about "Model Year"...
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westcoast-paul · Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:08 am Post subject:

another chart: http://www.marksbugbarn.com/shop/identify.php

cruiser · Samba Member Joined: March 20, 2003 Posts: 206

Dave,

Is there a "Karmann Ghia production/model year/engine & chassis" chart available that you can share with us K.G. fans? Thanks for all the help!

RockStock · Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:20 am Post subject:

most recent chart

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but as dave says, beetle related
just to be used as a general guide prior to the release of daves book
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Broadacus · Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: Engine Number

The Chassis number of my 1958 Convertible Karmann Ghia is

Chassis: 1 833 575 built approx Feb 1958

The Engine Number is 2222676
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Broadacus · Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:59 am Post subject:

retrowagen · Samba Member Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 1856

Broadacus · Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:24 am Post subject:

Thanks once again to Dave, for a full and comprehensive answer to the question. I have always agreed that Karmann Ghia Lowlight models did not go in "Model Year"
The booklet Attention! all service stations is interesting as it proves the point that Volkswagen were continually changing the cars due to feedback from both customers and Volkswagen dealers. Not until August 1959 when Karmann moved away from the Lowlight, do we see what Dave discusses above.
Sorry dave but just could not resist the quote "Oh, and don't get me started on "Model Year".

Both Rockstock and I are waiting for the book, to put the records straight.
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straydog · Samba Member Joined: April 16, 2006 Posts: 3

and what would engine # D 0833221 be out of?

Broadacus · Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:34 am Post subject:

RockStock · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:42 am Post subject:


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