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Arky Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Torque & PSI equivalency for air compressor & air ra |
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Is there a chart somewhere that shows air compressor PSI equivalency for torque/foot pounds?
For instance, is 125 PSI on my air compressor enough torque to put on my lug bolts with an air rachet? How about the alternator fan bolt? _________________ Arky
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3444 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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There is no chart to convert PSI from your compressor to torque. The amount of torque is tool depedent. My 1hp compressor will remove a 150FT LB nut secured with Red loctite with an Impact Wrench. |
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arthurnugen Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 3081 Location: The PNW, where "going green" means rolling with moss.
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Don't know about a chart, but I would not use an air ratchet to put on your lug nuts. 85-90 ft.lbs. is correct. If you use an air ratchet/impact hammer it is really easy to over torque and stretch the nuts out. I always use my trusty click-type torque wrench with lug nuts, or anything needing a torque spec for that matter. _________________
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VWBobby Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1537 Location: Central Oregon Coast
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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A cheap torque wrench is great for lug nuts and all kinds of parts that you should be using a torque wrench on. Good torque wrenchs are expensive, and great for building engines but not needed for the average DIY'r.
Air rachets are not very good for anything besides quickly disassembling an engine or part. I would not use them to tighten anything except for the most meaningless part...too inaccurate and easy to overtorque. |
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Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 3510 Location: Puyallup WA
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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the have torque sticks for your impact gun, that will give you acurrate torque will using your impact.
http://www.torquestick.com/
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3444 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Disassembly is what I use Impacts for. Anything that is important gets torqued.
Watch your hands if your using chrome sockets for impacts. If the socket is worn/chipped, a slice of chrome will do a number on your hand. |
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Arky Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys. I ordered a 90 foot lbs. torque stick.
I never thought about stretching the lug bolts out. I was only thinking about getting them tight enough.
I've used the impact wrench 2-3 times now on my bug and bus at 125 psi. Should I replace the lug bolts? Any way to tell if they've been stretched? I'm guessing it will be unnoticable to the eye. _________________ Arky
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14269 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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So how does the Torque Stick work? It breaks off at full torque? Or does the girl stand there and tell you when to stop? |
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VWBobby Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1537 Location: Central Oregon Coast
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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It would take quite a bit of force to stretch them, unless you are cranking on them with a (true) 300+ ft lb impact wrench... Usually overtorquing the bolts will pull the threads or warp the drum/rotor.
2 hands on a 4-way lug wrench is plenty of torque. If you need to put wheels on faster than a 4-way lug wrench, you shouldn't be working on a VW in my opinion. I can use a 4-way at least as fast as an air ratchet (slow compared to a impact!). |
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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the torque is really just equal on all lugs not exact.you can actually break them by using them in reverse.i would use a torque wrench ,not the stick.it is designed for a saleable product to consumers like arky who read and beleive. |
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Flipseat Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Torque sticks are not accurate. They will torque a nut/bolt to different specs depending on how long you use it (how long you pull the trigger on your air gun), how many PSI you're running, what impact gun you're using, how worn your gun is, and how worn the torque stick is. I use them every day to get lug nuts/bolts close, and then I set the car on the ground and torque the wheels by hand.
The difference between the torque sticks are their thicknesses. 55 lbs will be a lot thinner than 100 lbs, and thats thinner than 140 lbs, etc etc. _________________ Insert random important looking club initials here. |
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Arky Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Yupp, I have to admit I'm pretty gullible. But thanks to all you pros I've learned a lot. I'll have fun playing with the torque stick anyway.
Note to self: Stop buying things you don't need! _________________ Arky
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Arky wrote: |
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aaaaahahaha! Good luck with that one!
I've tried, it just doesn't seem to happen. _________________ Insert random important looking club initials here. |
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Arky Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Update: I used the 90lbs torgue stick over the weekend and found that it didn't matter how long I held down the trigger on my impact gun or how much psi I applied, it does not turn the bolts any further.
I was surprised to find the torque stick is a solid 1/2" extension with no moving parts. I expected some type of rachet on the end that stopped turning at 90lbs.
Since I have limited understanding of ?physics? is there a smart body here who can explain for the simple minded how the length and thickness of the torque stick limits torque? _________________ Arky
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14269 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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So how does the Torque Stick work? It breaks off at full torque? Or does the girl stand there and tell you when to stop? |
Exactly what I was wondering. Maybe it twists or something. Maybe it just absorbs the impact after a certain rated psi? |
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Arky Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2005 Posts: 38 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't twist (I thought it would too). It is a solid piece of metal, just like a 1/2" extension. The torque limitation is something to do with the length and thickness (sound familiar? ).
The girl was NOT included! _________________ Arky
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Mr. Bubblehead El Chupa Nibre
Joined: October 25, 2002 Posts: 2756 Location: 612 Wharf Avenue
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: |
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My bro-in-law owns a tire shop and has the whole set of torque sticks. They operate by the same principle as the rear torsion bars in your bus. I think you have to set a certain PSI/CFM/whatever on your compressor and/or wrench for them to work properly, though. _________________ OGST
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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While you're at it, check the input pressure specs for your impact wrench/air ratchet. Mine both set at 90psi. I blew the guts out of my palm nailer with 120psi. Costs more to rebuild than I paid for the damn thing... _________________
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