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Karl
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I cannot believe that this guy lives in California and recommends swapping the FI for carbs.... totally illegal:
"I also recommend changing your fuel injected 75-79 bus to carbs."
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=345303 |
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keifernet
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Hmmm no throttle plate rebushing ever... "sloppy and runs GREAT"! LOL  |
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Birdibus
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yeah, that is certain failure at the smog testing station
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Glenn 
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FI works great when it works. I'd sure try to fi it before switching to carbs.
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VWBusrepairman
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| FI works great when it works. I'd sure try to fi it before switching to carbs. |
let them remove the injection, that's where I come in- I am home to the tired, lost, poor injection parts of the world. Please send them to Bloomington where they will find a good home. |
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sailorkh
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I saw that ad too, and it brings up a lot of questions. Why hasn't this guy posted here before, and why try to get $40.00 bucks from fellow VW owners for just sharing information 
Someones got some 'splanin to do 
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richcarl32
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i hear the phrase [FI works great when it works] and it is true. but the fact of the matter is that when it doesnt work great, it is a major frustration for prople like me that dont have a lot of FI knowledge. Carbs are easy to people that really know carbs, and Fi is easy to people that know it. [/quote]
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Nica
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| yeah, that is certain failure at the smog testing station |
Wouldn't leaning the mixture before going to the smog station actually make it easier to pass? |
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VDubTech
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| yeah, that is certain failure at the smog testing station |
Wouldn't leaning the mixture before going to the smog station actually make it easier to pass? |
No, the numbers wouldn't mean squat at that pojnt since the vehicle is not as it came from the factory. If it was F/I when it left the showroom floor, it must be F/I when it is smog tested. Any other setup is automatic failure. |
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Adventurewagen
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I would have to say that the number of posts a user has doesn't give any indication of their level of knowledge towards buses, I would say it is kind of odd he's posting a How to Book for 40 bucks when he's never even popped his head in the forum once.
I'd figure he'd at least try to promote himself with a little free advice to the forums. And 40 bucks?!? I can get the Bentley for 25 bucks!
He should at least scan and post a page or two of the so called "How To" for us to look at and check out, although its probably nothing more than a couple pages of run on sentences about tweaking your carbs
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Shijima
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20 bucks says he sends you a bentley LOL!
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pyrOman
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| yeah, that is certain failure at the smog testing station |
Wouldn't leaning the mixture before going to the smog station actually make it easier to pass? |
No, the numbers wouldn't mean squat at that pojnt since the vehicle is not as it came from the factory. If it was F/I when it left the showroom floor, it must be F/I when it is smog tested. Any other setup is automatic failure. |
'Xactly! They will NOT even hook up your vehicle if it doesn't pass the visual inspection. You may have the cleanest ever running engine, but if it doesn't have all the smog equipment which is more detrimental to the engine than not, you will be lucky if they allow you to even drive it back!
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Glenn
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| Glenn wrote: |
| FI works great when it works. I'd sure try to fi it before switching to carbs. |
let them remove the injection, that's where I come in- I am home to the tired, lost, poor injection parts of the world. Please send them to Bloomington where they will find a good home. |
Get them while you can. I had a friend offer to sell a guy the complete FI system, including the computer and harness, off a FI Beetle for $50. He was using the engine for the foundation of a performance buildup.
The guy passed one it. A few months later the guys computer failed and it cost him a few hundred for a new one.
Nothing like saving for a rainy day.
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Nica
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'Xactly! They will NOT even hook up your vehicle if it doesn't pass the visual inspection. You may have the cleanest ever running engine, but if it doesn't have all the smog equipment which is more detrimental to the engine than not, you will be lucky if they allow you to even drive it back!
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Then what if he remove the carbs for the smog,then replaces them after, theres always ways to beat the system. |
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Birdibus
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Nica, I'm not sure that deserves an answer. Now, how is the bus going to run without the carbs? There is another part of the test, and it involves driving into the station and having an emissions testing device put in the tailpipe while the engine runs. Switch back and forth from FI to carbs? Madness, I say. 
My father put a type 4 engine into his 69 Westy after tiring of rebuilding engines. He drove 90 miles every day back and forth to work. When smog testing began to be enforced, he had to change back to a 1600 motor. Kinda took away his VW love, and he sold the Westy to the neighbor and bought a mini motorhome. 
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Bleyseng
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Nica, I'm not sure that deserves an answer. Now, how is the bus going to run without the carbs? There is another part of the test, and it involves driving into the station and having an emissions testing device put in the tailpipe while the engine runs. Switch back and forth from FI to carbs? Madness, I say.
My father put a type 4 engine into his 69 Westy after tiring of rebuilding engines. He drove 90 miles every day back and forth to work. When smog testing began to be enforced, he had to change back to a 1600 motor. Kinda took away his VW love, and he sold the Westy to the neighbor and bought a mini motorhome. |
hmm, where is he located??? Calif has smog only on 76 and later I thought???
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Birdibus
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Yes, NOW it is 76 and after, but THEN we had to jump through the hoops of the beauracracy with our 69 bus. Just citing an example of what can happen, I'm just not using the right year vehicle for that example.
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Nica
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Why not?He should take the CAT out and put a older muffler too,then change it to pass the smog.  |
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gmag69
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| Glenn wrote: |
| VWBusrepairman wrote: |
| Glenn wrote: |
| FI works great when it works. I'd sure try to fi it before switching to carbs. |
let them remove the injection, that's where I come in- I am home to the tired, lost, poor injection parts of the world. Please send them to Bloomington where they will find a good home. |
Get them while you can. I had a friend offer to sell a guy the complete FI system, including the computer and harness, off a FI Beetle for $50. He was using the engine for the foundation of a performance buildup.
The guy passed one it. A few months later the guys computer failed and it cost him a few hundred for a new one.
Nothing like saving for a rainy day. |
I agree with you Glenn 100%
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Bleyseng
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I agree
built up a stash of FI parts. I have done this for years with the Djet parts for 914's which have become increasingly scarce or unobtainium.
I don't know why all these people/mechanics trash the FI for a single pos in the first place. The FI is so simple and works fantasic. The failures I have seen are where a shadetree mechanic or PO has hacked into the wiring harness or vacuum lines.
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