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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Vin Number Reply with quote

Does the number that appear on this area supposed to match your chassis number? If so or if not,does the first digits mean or indicate production year?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the body number, it doesn't match the vin no.
I'm sure retrowagen has all the relevant info on body numbers Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks mate, I'm hoping to make out the numbers tomorrow. It's covered with years of crud...it appears to be four digits,not entirely sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That pictures looks familiar.

On http://karmannghias.org/ it is sait that the number should be the body number.

Does somebody know where the number on the hood and deck lit are located?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The front hood body number is tough to find. When you open the trunk look just to the right of the center bead. The outer skin is folded over to make the front hood. It is stamped onto the metal that is folded under.

What makes it tough is that this are can rust easy because it sits on the rubber seal. I have a picture of mine somewhere.

The engine decklid number is to the left of center on the are where the outer skin is folded under. If you are standing at the back of the car, open the deck lid, look about 5 inches to the left of center where the latch is. This area usually rusts worse than the front.

I tried to point to these areas on the sketch I made on my web site.

Since Karmann didn't need to know the VIN to make the body the two are not related. The body numbers assured that once all the fitting was done that you would get the right panels back on to the right shell.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Vin Number Reply with quote

On my 1958 Convertible, the front axle also appears to have the vin number, in large numbers, stamped into it.
Anyone else seen this?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never looked for it. Where did you find it?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the first digits of the numbers (to the original question) indicate the period of the car?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The four digit body number does not have anything to do with the vin or year. They were, however, sequential.

My 56 Ghia has body number 3203. This makes it close to the 3203rd Ghia to roll of the line. The last three digits, 203, were then found on the doors, hood, and decklid. I don't have my records here at work but at some point the numbers tended to be all less than 1000. Covertibles had a different series it seems than coupes.

The first three years seem to be consistent and sequential.

Has anyone seen the later Ghia body numbers next to the gas tank under the VIN? I think my 73 had them and I have seen others with them. I don't know that anyone has tried to analyze these.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On lowlights, Karmann went consecutive with its stamped body numbers up to #39,600 (29 August 1958); after that it was a three digit number. They repeated the sequence of three digit numbers a few times.

With body #39,601 (as it were), the Karmann S/N plate (adjacent to the Volkwagen AG info plate in the trunk) was discontinued as well. This was the tag that had yet another number, very close to the stamped body number but not quite the same. There's some debate as to why this number is a little off from the stamped body numbers; I don't think anyone knows with absolute certainty.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When in the hell are you going to publish your book? Thank you for your wealth of information and sharing it with us! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: early door number stamping Reply with quote

JeffL wrote:
My 56 Ghia has body number 3203. This makes it close to the 3203rd Ghia to roll of the line. The last three digits, 203, were then found on the doors, hood, and decklid. I don't have my records here at work but at some point the numbers tended to be all less than 1000. Covertibles had a different series it seems than coupes


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large Sekurit logo glass, as found on 56/57 Ghias (to Sept/Oct 57, right Dave??)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is a little off subject for this post, but your last picture almost shows it. Anybody know where to get this piece or the part number of what it might be? #60 below
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

I know this is an old post. But I have a 60 Ghia, where the tag up front does not correspond to the registration paperwork. I know on buses that that stamped number on the M code data plate is usually a sequential body number, not the VIN. The cars were usually , if not always , regd with the chassis number stamped on the tunnel.

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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

gitchesum wrote:
I know this is an old post. But I have a 60 Ghia, where the tag up front does not correspond to the registration paperwork. I know on buses that that stamped number on the M code data plate is usually a sequential body number, not the VIN. The cars were usually , if not always , regd with the chassis number stamped on the tunnel.

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Not quite sure what you're asking.
Ghias don't carry an "M code" plate. The only locations to carry the vin# is the ID tag on the side wall of the trunk...
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and under the rear seat:
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If your Vin# doesn't match the documentation of one of the locations then either body or pan have been swapped.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

Hi John, I don’t see one stamped on the area you highlighted
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

doublecabmel wrote:
Hi John, I don’t see one stamped on the area you highlighted


Which one do you mean, the one on the side wall of the trunk or the one on the tunnel under the rear seat?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

John Moxon wrote:
The only locations to carry the vin# is the ID tag on the side wall of the trunk...
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and under the rear seat:
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Sorry to highjack (just a little). Any idea if the tag in the trunk was present for the whole run of the Ghia?

My 1969 project car didn't come with a tag on the inner fender well, but does have a tag riveted to the dash pad.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

Chad M wrote:
My 1969 project car didn't come with a tag on the inner fender well, but does have a tag riveted to the dash pad.

Are you sure your's is a 1969?

From the 1970 model year USA manual... same as John has described. Every Ghia up to that year is like this
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From the 1971 model year USA manual.. the first year with the VIN as you describe. Every Ghia from that Year is like this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Vin Number Reply with quote

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Chad M wrote:
My 1969 project car didn't come with a tag on the inner fender well, but does have a tag riveted to the dash pad.

Are you sure your's is a 1969?

From the 1970 model year USA manual... same as John has described. Every Ghia up to that year is like this

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Hey Nicholas, it's a 1969 for certain, folding glass window, earlier signal lights etc.

Here's the VIN stamp on the tunnel and the tag, albeit located incorrectly on the dash? I suspect the fender tag disappeared when the previous owner dismantled the car.

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