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Speedsterboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: Vin Number |
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Does the number that appear on this area supposed to match your chassis number? If so or if not,does the first digits mean or indicate production year?
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aerosilver Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2006 Posts: 884 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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That is the body number, it doesn't match the vin no.
I'm sure retrowagen has all the relevant info on body numbers
What is your body number |
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Speedsterboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Thanks mate, I'm hoping to make out the numbers tomorrow. It's covered with years of crud...it appears to be four digits,not entirely sure. |
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pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1205 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
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That pictures looks familiar.
On http://karmannghias.org/ it is sait that the number should be the body number.
Does somebody know where the number on the hood and deck lit are located?
Patrick _________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
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JeffL Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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The front hood body number is tough to find. When you open the trunk look just to the right of the center bead. The outer skin is folded over to make the front hood. It is stamped onto the metal that is folded under.
What makes it tough is that this are can rust easy because it sits on the rubber seal. I have a picture of mine somewhere.
The engine decklid number is to the left of center on the are where the outer skin is folded under. If you are standing at the back of the car, open the deck lid, look about 5 inches to the left of center where the latch is. This area usually rusts worse than the front.
I tried to point to these areas on the sketch I made on my web site.
Since Karmann didn't need to know the VIN to make the body the two are not related. The body numbers assured that once all the fitting was done that you would get the right panels back on to the right shell.
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Broadacus Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2003 Posts: 535 Location: Manchester. ENGLAND, UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Vin Number |
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On my 1958 Convertible, the front axle also appears to have the vin number, in large numbers, stamped into it.
Anyone else seen this? _________________ 1957 Rometsch Beeskow
1963 Karmann Ghia Convertible RHD
View my rare literature For Sale. |
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JeffL Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Never looked for it. Where did you find it? |
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Speedsterboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Does the first digits of the numbers (to the original question) indicate the period of the car?
Thanks,
AL |
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JeffL Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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The four digit body number does not have anything to do with the vin or year. They were, however, sequential.
My 56 Ghia has body number 3203. This makes it close to the 3203rd Ghia to roll of the line. The last three digits, 203, were then found on the doors, hood, and decklid. I don't have my records here at work but at some point the numbers tended to be all less than 1000. Covertibles had a different series it seems than coupes.
The first three years seem to be consistent and sequential.
Has anyone seen the later Ghia body numbers next to the gas tank under the VIN? I think my 73 had them and I have seen others with them. I don't know that anyone has tried to analyze these. |
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retrowagen Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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On lowlights, Karmann went consecutive with its stamped body numbers up to #39,600 (29 August 1958); after that it was a three digit number. They repeated the sequence of three digit numbers a few times.
With body #39,601 (as it were), the Karmann S/N plate (adjacent to the Volkwagen AG info plate in the trunk) was discontinued as well. This was the tag that had yet another number, very close to the stamped body number but not quite the same. There's some debate as to why this number is a little off from the stamped body numbers; I don't think anyone knows with absolute certainty. _________________ David Ruby
President, Karmann-Ghia World Club |
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Speedsterboy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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When in the hell are you going to publish your book? Thank you for your wealth of information and sharing it with us! |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: early door number stamping |
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JeffL wrote: |
My 56 Ghia has body number 3203. This makes it close to the 3203rd Ghia to roll of the line. The last three digits, 203, were then found on the doors, hood, and decklid. I don't have my records here at work but at some point the numbers tended to be all less than 1000. Covertibles had a different series it seems than coupes |
gratuitous RS Photo Essay on a spare 56/7 door I have from a Trout Blue Coupe
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=298021
stamped 921 on the door
inspected by Inspector 20?
note Kamax bolts
outer is not Trout Blue
inner is
note early door check strap
large Sekurit logo glass, as found on 56/57 Ghias (to Sept/Oct 57, right Dave??)
just need the 55 to stick it on now
Broady, stick the pics on the CD son _________________ -StockRocks- |
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1958ghia Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I know this is a little off subject for this post, but your last picture almost shows it. Anybody know where to get this piece or the part number of what it might be? #60 below
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gitchesum Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2003 Posts: 513 Location: North Cali
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Vin Number |
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I know this is an old post. But I have a 60 Ghia, where the tag up front does not correspond to the registration paperwork. I know on buses that that stamped number on the M code data plate is usually a sequential body number, not the VIN. The cars were usually , if not always , regd with the chassis number stamped on the tunnel.
No? _________________ Looking for SP Kadron manifolds...please !!
57 SC
61 rag w/356B brakes
61 356B
Honda XLR 250, 69 Z50, Yamaha 100 Enduro...and others.
GMC SLT 4x4 Dmax
Kubota L3710, not enuf attachments.
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13958 Location: Southampton U.K.
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Vin Number |
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gitchesum wrote: |
I know this is an old post. But I have a 60 Ghia, where the tag up front does not correspond to the registration paperwork. I know on buses that that stamped number on the M code data plate is usually a sequential body number, not the VIN. The cars were usually , if not always , regd with the chassis number stamped on the tunnel.
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Not quite sure what you're asking.
Ghias don't carry an "M code" plate. The only locations to carry the vin# is the ID tag on the side wall of the trunk... and under the rear seat:
If your Vin# doesn't match the documentation of one of the locations then either body or pan have been swapped. _________________ John.
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My 1958 Shorrock Supercharged Karmann Ghia
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doublecabmel Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Vin Number |
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Hi John, I don’t see one stamped on the area you highlighted |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Chad M Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2003 Posts: 723 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Vin Number |
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John Moxon wrote: |
The only locations to carry the vin# is the ID tag on the side wall of the trunk... and under the rear seat: |
Sorry to highjack (just a little). Any idea if the tag in the trunk was present for the whole run of the Ghia?
My 1969 project car didn't come with a tag on the inner fender well, but does have a tag riveted to the dash pad. |
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Vin Number |
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Chad M wrote: |
My 1969 project car didn't come with a tag on the inner fender well, but does have a tag riveted to the dash pad. |
Are you sure your's is a 1969?
From the 1970 model year USA manual... same as John has described. Every Ghia up to that year is like this
From the 1971 model year USA manual.. the first year with the VIN as you describe. Every Ghia from that Year is like this.
Nicholas _________________ '66 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet...
'65 Porsche 356C Coupe...
2005 Mecedes Benz C180 Kompressor Estate
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Chad M Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Vin Number |
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sputnick60 wrote: |
Chad M wrote: |
My 1969 project car didn't come with a tag on the inner fender well, but does have a tag riveted to the dash pad. |
Are you sure your's is a 1969?
From the 1970 model year USA manual... same as John has described. Every Ghia up to that year is like this
Nicholas |
Hey Nicholas, it's a 1969 for certain, folding glass window, earlier signal lights etc.
Here's the VIN stamp on the tunnel and the tag, albeit located incorrectly on the dash? I suspect the fender tag disappeared when the previous owner dismantled the car.
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