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kco2949785 Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 32
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: M-594 big brake option |
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I'm told VW had a Caravelle/Vanagon bigger front brake option with a M code of M-594 for European buses. Anyone know exactly what parts made up the M-594 option? Are they the VW LT truck brakes? Can LT front brakes be installed on a Caravelle/Vanagon?
My stepson in Sweden has installed a Subaru Legacy engine in his Caravelle. Since he's over the limit of a 10% increase in horsepower (1.6 hp over to be exact) the Swedish licensing board won't renew the license on the Caravelle without increasing the size of the brakes. Thanks in advance for any help. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure about the M code, but I do know the Syncro 16 models had upgraded front brakes sourced from the LT 28-31 light commercial trucks. AFAIK they are still non-vented rotors - just larger.
The South African Caravelles also reveived a brake upgrade. These were vented rotors of about 280mm and had ATE calipers similar to those used on the Ford Scorpio. This upgrade kit is still available through various sources. |
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kco2949785 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I just got a PM that M code M594 was for bigger front brakes on German Postal buses. The calipers are different than the usual Vanagon/Caravelle/Transporter calipers. Anybody out there familiar with German Postal buses?
We would like to stay with the existing 14 inch wheels as the tires are new. Also in Sweden you have to run snow tires with studs frm November until April. We would like to avoid buying two sets of wheels with new winter and summer tires and South African brakes. That would be a big expense just because the Caravelle makes 1.6hp over the limit. And you guys in California think you have it bad with CARB. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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You should be glad they worry. Here in sunny Cali, you have some very dangerous cars on the road. NO checks here. Do as you please, basically. There are few rules if any. You can put whatever you want on as long as a few basic rules are not violated. They are not bad rules. Things like muffler heightr, lamp height, number of lamps. But, they, for the most part, done not care... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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vwicked Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Oosterwolde, the Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
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My '86 Club Joker has the M594 option, so I think it wasn't exclusively for German Postal busses. I'll try to post some pics but that can take a while. I do know my bus has 14" wheels so that should not be the problem. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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YES, YES, please post.
We in the US have got the stock bus brakes in ALL the different versions. That is why many of us are on a road to bigger brakes. In my case it is 303mm fronts with 16 inch wheels. But, if I could keep the stock wheels ( I have two sets of factory aluminum wheels ) I would love to do it and have better brakes.
My 85 Westy has those pitiful early brakes and I am afraid at times driving it. Not to mention the rotors warp a lot. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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vwicked wrote: |
My '86 Club Joker has the M594 option, so I think it wasn't exclusively for German Postal busses. I'll try to post some pics but that can take a while. I do know my bus has 14" wheels so that should not be the problem. |
Interesting. Do you recall off hand whether the discs are vented or non-vented? If the M594 option does not include vented rotors and they fit behind 14" wheels, that would mean the discs have to be the same 256mm ones used on our 86-91 Vanagons. That would mean the only upgrade possibility would be better calipers.
I'm wondering if the Euro market T3s kept the 80-85 brakes as the standard brakes, and the ones that became standard in the USA on the 86-91 vans are the M594 option. |
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Petervw Samba Member
Joined: July 04, 2005 Posts: 1020 Location: Sarnia Ont. Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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with larger or stronger calipers,...would that mean possibly the master cylinder would have to changed out for a larger one |
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vwicked Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Oosterwolde, the Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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[img]http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=307382[/img]
[img]http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=307379[/img]
I hope these pics will help. |
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vwicked Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Oosterwolde, the Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I must be doing something wrong.The pics don't show here but you can find them in the gallery. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently)
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5391 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Definately a different caliper (sliding instead of fixed) but still a solid rotor. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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T3Technique.com or contact me at [email protected] |
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