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dubshack1 Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 233
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: Trans help,poor mans posi? |
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I am building an 1835 for my girlfriend,and really want to posi the trans for some Sat nite street racing,poor mans posi,just welding the gears?I have also heard about diffrent thickness C clamps for the axles/swing,that shim the diff tight?any help will be appriciated. |
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RockNbus Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006 Posts: 815 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Leave it an open diff unless you want your girlfriend to crash. A car that has welded spiders, spool, or limited slip is not as safe in the rain. Plus many, many people drag race with an open diff and they do very well. |
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dubshack1 Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 233
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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not a daily driver,she is aware of what a posi car drives like in the rain,around corners, etc but still need help with methods and info on parts, thanx for looking out. |
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AlexQS Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2006 Posts: 23 Location: Near Portland, OR USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: Poor Mans Posi |
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Yeah, I have read the same thing about welding spools = crash!
I remember reading something over at Geneberg.com, called Poor Mans Posi. Can't remember, I think it was something like you were saying, shimming or something to partially preload the spider gears a little?? Beyond my tech skill/comprehension a bit,.. BUT Gene Berg knows his stuff I think. Check it out. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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The Berg poor mans posi is just shims that tighten up the diff and cause premature wear. Welding spider gears is dangerous and should never be done. You can get a used ZF limited slip, but their not cheap. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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Rowroy Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2006 Posts: 1012 Location: The ass of nowhere
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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You have to realize that there is a difference between a "posi" diff and one that utilizes a spool. A posi differential will lock up ONLY when one tire begins to spin. The rest of the time, it acts as an open diff. You don't have that benifit with a spool. As far as welding the spider gears, I would never do that simply because if the weld ever fails, you could end up with a chuck of metal bouncing around inside the transaxle case . . . and who wants that. Welding gears is never a good idea. |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9481 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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The Poorman's posi shims will tighten the side gears to the spiders by taking the clearance away. Yea, it will give you the "posi" effect a little.
The wear is not really there since the open diff will only work the spiders when you loose traction on one wheel. This is when it spins the spiders over the side gears. But so long as both wheels track at the same, the spiders stay put and the both axles roll as a unit.
All it is sticking the correct thickness shim in there between the "C" clip and side gear. |
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dubshack1 Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 233
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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anyone have a posi unit for sale,or know of anyone,really want to kick some honda/subi/evo ass!!!! |
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nsracing Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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dubshack1 wrote: |
anyone have a posi unit for sale,or know of anyone,really want to kick some honda/subi/evo ass!!!! |
YOu need the whole tranny? or just the shim pack? Get some from GeneBerg Ent. The shims are not that expensive. |
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dubshack1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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dont really want to weld,dont really want to just shim,would really like a freeway flyer,but can deal with just a posi diff,all boarders on price,trying to finish car under 20k |
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clayster89 Samba Pitman
Joined: July 26, 2005 Posts: 722 Location: Trying To Baja!
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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dubshack1 wrote: |
anyone have a posi unit for sale,or know of anyone,really want to kick some honda/subi/evo ass!!!! |
Ok if you wanna beat some ricers then build a stroker instead of a weenie 1835cc. Im not saying 1835cc are crap im just saying you get more power out of a stroker for probably less money. |
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dubshack1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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This is for my girlfriend,she already has a WRX,but I feel an 1835/maybe 1914 will do the trick,still want a posi. |
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Bugman Jeff Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 636 Location: Evansville, WI
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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My '69 is not Posi, yet most of the time both tires spin when I launch.
The average VW Posi is around $1000, you'll have to decide if it's really worth it.
I'm developing a new Posi unit for the ACVW that should be much cheaper than the currently avalible units(without sacraficing quality). Gimmie about 8 months though, I have a bit of work to do still. _________________ Restorer of Porsche Speedster 80486 |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Right now there are 4 ZF limited slip diff's for sale in the Samba classifieds
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?...ton=Search _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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mts935 Samba Member
Joined: January 17, 2014 Posts: 1 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Trans help,poor mans posi? |
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I have used the poor man posi since the late 60s on a bunch of cars from bajas to Myers’s Manx 10sec car with great results. Also on a bug with a hot rod 912 engine that was driven 20,000 miles and had very little wear. In some cases it worked better than a posi. I wouldn’t hesitate to use one again. |
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earthquake Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2008 Posts: 3984 Location: SANDY VALLEY, NEVADA
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Trans help,poor mans posi? |
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If your going to do a "Lincoln Locker" at least do it the right, Use a TIG welder and Silicon Bronze wire.
eQ _________________ 74 CLASS 11 LOOK-A-LIKE
69 DUNE BUGGY
79 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II
05 SCION XB SERIES RELEASE 2[#437]
95 Chevy C3500 dually
98 Ford E150
Link to Kelly J. Nolte 3/20/53 - 11/6/08
https://time-zonelabs.blogspot.com/p/about-kelly.html
DEATH TO CHINGERS!
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9481 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Trans help,poor mans posi? |
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This thing is alive?
Do not lock anything unless you want to be in the guard rail. |
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earthquake Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2008 Posts: 3984 Location: SANDY VALLEY, NEVADA
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Trans help,poor mans posi? |
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Phantom Grip makes one for a type 1 IRS trans axle for $350
https://phantomgrip.com/shop/audi-limited-slip-lsd...ir-cooled/
but I don't know if there any good.
eQ _________________ 74 CLASS 11 LOOK-A-LIKE
69 DUNE BUGGY
79 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II
05 SCION XB SERIES RELEASE 2[#437]
95 Chevy C3500 dually
98 Ford E150
Link to Kelly J. Nolte 3/20/53 - 11/6/08
https://time-zonelabs.blogspot.com/p/about-kelly.html
DEATH TO CHINGERS!
[From a military recruitment poster in the novel "The Stainless Steel Rat" By Harry Harrison] |
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