1600 in a 72?

ronnie · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:54 am Post subject: 1600 in a 72?

anybody know exactly whats needed to put an upright 1600 in a 72? is it just the tin? or is the rear mount different as well?

anybody have whats needed?
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Bookwus · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:59 am Post subject:

Hiya Ronnie,

"just the tin"? Ouch! That tin is going be difficult (at best) and expensive to round up. The most obvious source would be a European supplier or salvage yard. The European busses were still sporting 1600s in '72. And yes, you'll probably need (you might be able to "hang" the upright off the tranny) the rear engine hanger. If so, you'll need to find a way to "fabricate" it in.

Lotsa problems to solve in this "retrofit". And that's not to say it hasn't been done - it has. It's just not a "get the parts and bolt 'em in" kinda operation.

Mike

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Paulie · Samba Member Joined: September 20, 2003 Posts: 164

Ronnie -

My bus is a '72 and it has a 1600 in it... unfortunately I haven't had it apart (engine was in it when I bought it) so I can't tell you how the PO solved the mount problem. The tin in my bus is obviously homemade from sheet metal, but you can buy a fiberglass filler panel here:

http://www.creativecarcraft.com/notforbug.htm

I plan on doing this eventually, as the homemade tin is pretty ugly...

-Paulie

ronnie · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject:

ronnie · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject:

thanks paulie, looks like the next best thing if i can't find german tin.
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static · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject:

I haven't done it (so I am really just full of shit) but since busses in Europe used the 1600 up until 1979, and there are plenty of hyper-bus-folk in the UK (just like here) it should be no trouble at all (heh!) to order the tinware from the UK. Some guy puts the parts in a box and takes them to the Post Office. Big deal.

Perhaps posting a message at the estimable Yahoo group http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/vwbusuk/ will get the correct answer.

I will go over to that site and post a pointer.

PEPPE · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:32 pm Post subject: 1600

italians and greeks get also 1300 on buses! installed from vw with mountain ratio as standard.
i converted a type 4 bus to 1600 single port this summer.
the difference were for the rear mount the the frame. i had to remove the silentblok holder from another bus with type 1 engine.
easy to build a new one if you do not have.
the frame of the bus is the same, only the bar, silentblock and holders are different.
heat exchangers cables were different too, slight difference in lenght of the heat exchanger warmed air tubes. accelerator cable was the same.

ronnie · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject:

peppe, thanks for the info, i was hoping to hear from someone who had done it.
will the engine hanger from a 68-71 fit in the later buses, or did you take the hanger from another 72-79 bus that came with a 1600?
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Adventurewagen · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject:

OK, simple question. Maybe I am missing something here, but...

Why?

Ive got a 71, love my 1600dp, but if I already had a 72 or later I think I would upgrade to a 2.0L instead of dropping back to a 1600.

Having no in depth experience with a type4 engine so I am talking out my butt, but from every other post I have read about type1 vs type4 I haven't found much of a compelling reason to like one over the other. Both seem to be reliable and easy enough to work with.

Anyway post some pics when you finish. I guess a cool combo would be a later bus with a 1600, although i would want a 73 with the top engine hatch, that would be really cool.

ronnie · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject:

1. the 1700 really isn't much of an improvement as far as power, and i'm not familiar with pancakes. having owned splits for years, i am familiar with 1600's.
2. i have a 72 panel, it was given to me for free.
3. i have a 1600 motor, by the time i get rid of the car that came with it, it will be free too.

i would rather have the hatch over the engine too, and may install one later, but when it's free you can't pick and choose.
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Adventurewagen · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject:

Good point. I can live with that. I wasn't trying to be awnry, just curious. I have been wanting to get a later bus, 72-79 just to play with the type4 engine. Mainly because I am upgrading my 1600 to run a bit stronger and was thinking about installing a bigger 2L. Also, I was on a road trip last summer and helped out a couple of buses along the way, but they had type4's in them which I am not familiar with. They really don't look to bad, seems like everything is just shifted around a bit.

Good luck.

NEW2OLD73Super · Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject:

Hey I have a type IV motor sitting in my garage. All it needs are a set of carbs ( I'm putting them on a type1) The bad thing is I'm on the east coast. Willing to let it go for a reasonable offer.

ronnie · Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:51 pm Post subject:

thanks for the offer, but i have the og motor sitting in the back of the bus, i;m more interested in putting a 1600 in.
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PEPPE · Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:04 am Post subject: hanger

frame for bus is the same in the rear hanger. i used a 69 B engine fitted with a 79 hanger and silentblock supports

ronnie · Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:12 am Post subject:

thanks, thats a huge help
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shredney · Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject:

Our 73 Westy is original with a 1600, this last summer we installed one of CIP1's "0" mile OEM 1600s with dual Kadrons and it really purrs. One thing for sure the top hatch access is really handy when balancing the kadrons. We are going to wade through some snow this weekend into the woods to check out a report of a couple bays with more of the elusive tin. We have really thought seriously about a type4 upgrade and Jake Raby's site is really impressive.

Steve
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