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ziasync
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Trash in my Tranny Reply with quote

Finally broke the drain plug loose on the tranny today so I purchased some Redline MT90 and proceeded to change the oil. Well I pull the plug and it was full of metal shavings and 4 ball berrings. I also fished out a thin piece of metal that turned out to be a bearing sleeve with the drain magnet. The sleeve says RollAx 091301120 on it. I looked up the # but all I could find about it is Ball Sleeve. Does anyone know what bearing this is or any info about it? I haven't been having very good luck with my new van but its a long story Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see a new tranny in your future.

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Loose ball bearings are bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being able to read part numbers is worse.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randy in Maine wrote:
Being able to read part numbers is worse.

Very true.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shavings on the magnetic drain plug are normal, any chunks, teeth, or hunks of metal are bad(if you can read the part numbers, ouch), sorry but Glenn is right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me want to cry Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ziasync wrote:
Makes me want to cry Evil or Very Mad

Start looking for a good used tranny and pick a weekend. Afterwards you'll feel the pride in doing the job yourself.





You'll also feel exhausted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe someone hid those things in your tranny....

Maybe not.

Sorry.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me cry on your shoulder a bit. Sad
I bought the Wolfberg Syncro in March From JDM Imports in Co. They said it recently had a full major service and that the tranny had been rebuilt. Well so far the ingnition switch burned up on the way home the day i purchased it, the throttle spring broke, the small hose from the oil cooler busted leaving us stranded 100 miles from home, the header broke compleatly at the flange in the middle of a 200 mile trip, it was experiencing Vanagon Syndrome witch turned out to improper belt tension, and now this. I'm growing tired. Fortunately the Syncro came with a warranty that covers the tranny so we'll see. I'm sceptical. Unfortunately we had a week long camping trip planned in less than two weeks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could think of a lot of better things they could have hid in the tranny.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A wise old hillbilly once told me:
"When you're buying a used car you're just buying someone elses problems".
I would go over it all carefully before you embark on any long trips , and I hope they honor the warrenty, syncro tranny isn't cheap.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mightyart wrote:
"When you're buying a used car you're just buying someone elses problems".


Not always true. Sometimes people just wnat a new car. My current car was 5 year old and had 60k on it. It's now 7 years old and had 145k. Other than regular oil changes, brakes, tires and a 90k service it's needed nothing.

You need to assume nothing. And a warranty is worthless unless you can actually get it honored.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it's not always true, I said a "wise hillbilly" told me that.
A wise hillbilly is kind of like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
I see a new tranny in your future.

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Loose ball bearings are bad.
In agreement
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My current car was 5 year old and had 60k on it. It's now 7 years old and had 145k.

WHAT!!!! 85K miles in two years!!! What are you smuggling and from where?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found it! RollAX 091301120 is a shift rod bushing. Page 35.76 in the Bently.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I THINK that's one of the ball sleeves that the shift rods glide on. It could ONLY come out because the tranny was incorrectly assembled. These support the shafts in holes in the case. I'd think that without one, the shifting on that fork would be pretty sloppy. IT MIGHT be stable enough for some continued driving. ( I'm not sure what subsequent damage could result, but it seems like not much. Perhaps wear on the fork. And it's probably already occurred.)
List member "Gears " would have a pretty good perspective on this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Al. I may try to PM "gears" this evening. The shifting has been sloppy from day one. I thought it was just normal as this is my first vanagon. I'm going to change the gear oil and try it out. I may go on my camping trip anyway and just have it fixed afterwards.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just replaced my tranny about 2 months ago. My ring and pinion were going and it sounded like I was driving a 747. This is what my drain plug looked like the last two times I replaced my fluid. Pretty sweet.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope some type of "trail magic" puts you on the Golden Road.

Your lucky the ball bear didn't get "Plink-O"-ed around and messed up things bad Mad

Tranny is in your future...

If it is still operational, you may get the core charge back, depending on who you go to and IF the tranny is still deemed good.

My .02's is to go into the reciepts and find out who did the tranny work and with much poise and guile, state your case to those who did the work. Syncro trannies are a different beast than the norm, so if any type of warranty is there...

Finding a used Syncro tranny is tricky. Best to take the un-lubed bend over and get rebuilt.

I feel your pain. My good friend and I did a swap on his Syncro tranny and the "new" tranny crunches when downshifting into 3rd. He is not happy with the deal Mad

24"- did you pick that for all of us?? Such a beautiful Metal flower... Vanagistis Fuckeditisus I think is the speices.
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