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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Motorhead Porn (warning: many many pics) |
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Without going into boo-coo technical details as I normally do, here's some pics taken while building the new 2.2 wbx I installed in my van about a month ago:
Painting the crankcase; old seals covered with tape were used to mask the seal bosses; extra nuts mask studs; old water pump masks the pump flange
Old exhaust valves are a nice fit to mask the pushrod tube spigots
Strong rare-earth magnets hold the valve stems together inside the case. This worked out really well and saved lots of time cutting tape to fit
Old water jacket seal masked the jacket end. No need to cover it completely; just avoid spraying into the interior.
Primer coated. Jones kept hanging around. I think he might be a secret huff-junky
This is the oil pickup tube mod I do on wbx cases, to make it a direct suction feed to the pump without the overpressure return
The overpressure return galley has to be ported back to the sump
This case had its oil drain drilled out and was using a huge 5/8"-11 bolt as a plug, with many many stacked washers. I turned the bolt head down to fit within the drain hole boss, welded on a hex head, and pressed a small neodymium magnet into the end
Plastigage strip ready to check rod bearing clearance
Measuring after the fit; they were all nice like this one, which has between 1 and 2 thousandths clearance. Most were closer to 0.001", which is where I like it
The bottom end laid up in the case, ready to close up. EMPI 5.5" chromoly rods, custom bushed for 24mm pins, ARP bolts. CB 2254 hydro cam. I'm reusing the main bearings with same case and crank because this engine's for me and they were in such great shape. Wbx bottom ends are bomber!
Sealant bead on the right half, special attention around each stud hole so oil won't leak along the studs
Setting up the crank endplay
Shim pack in, mainseal in, new o-ring in flywheel, ready to bolt up
Gotta hold it down steady for the 80ft.lb. torque on the flywheel bolts
Then it's gotta be hoisted back onto the stand
Mocked up with the 96mm QSC pistons on the 5.5" rods, the cuts to make zero deck have to be determined. Zero the dial at zero deck
And measure each piston in place to see how much is proud. This one had the most: 1.89mm has to come off
Centering up a piston on a faceplate fixture
And giving it a haircut
Final check, zero deck
Rings compressed and knocking it into the jug
Final installing #1 piston and cylinder
Both banks done
Checking combustion chambers on new AMC heads for equal volume with a syringe and acrylic plate
Some light port work
Both heads on
Close fit on the crossover pipe with the CB Maxipump. Oil temp sender is in place of the OEM hi-range OP switch
Easier to do all this little plumbing upside-down on a stand
The old S&S header (the header that just won't die) fitted up. Jaycee telescoping tubes
Trasko filter; Mocal t-stat sandwich adapter regulates oil flow to the external cooler
Detail of the left head. I wrap the water suction pipe with Reflectix tape since it runs so close to the exhaust collector and the #4 runner
Ready to get stuffed
Ridin' the trolley
Lleniendo
Home again, home again, jiggidy-jig
Notice the hole in the muffler heat shroud. Makes it easy to put a large ratchet and socket on the crank pulley nut. Wish I'da thoughta this a long time ago. Also, block, alternator and other grounds ganged on the unused fuel pump flange stud.
One last mod to make coolant filling easier; drilled out and ported the radiator bleeder bolt. So much easier to deal with when the water's squirting out!
Hope you enjoyed watching as much as I did building. |
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funagon Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 1308 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, thanks for posting. I'm living vicariously through your engine projects while I lack the workspace or time to build the engine I'd like.
I like the black case with silver heads. Do those new AMC heads have the AMC valves in them, or did you replace them/have a valve job done? |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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They got new German exhaust valves, and I ground the keepers for the right fit. That's what you need to do to the AMC's out of the box. I also hand-lapped the valves, which is my preference, but not strictly necessary.
Their seat cutting is pretty good. On the money dimensionally. They could use a 75deg. inside cut to make the intakes flow a bit better. The third angle doesn't matter so much on exhausts.
Last edited by tencentlife on Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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j8 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2003 Posts: 575 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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oh, my.
/awe
nice work, man. |
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Mathew Zelezen Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2004 Posts: 547 Location: Graeagle, CA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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WOW!
I painted mine to look like its covered in mud oil rust and random leaks... but to each their own...
Looks awesome buddy! _________________ 87 Syncro Tintop
~Rocky J Motor
~Steedle Trans
Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: It might have been. |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mine will get that treatment in time. All that red stuff's just primer! |
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VWGirl Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2003 Posts: 2462 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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wow, nice work! my 1st vanagon engine rebuild is coming up... i can only hope to get it to work, let alone make it as nice as yours! _________________ Without love in the dream it will never come true |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Great work. Nice pics. I've never completely torn down a WBX. Done a few type-4's and type 1's. One question, no sealant around the main bearing saddle bolt holes? I always used to on the type-4's. Where does that weep to in the waterboxer?
Andrew |
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iceracer Samba Member
Joined: February 28, 2006 Posts: 949 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome 10c! Makes me frothy to build another 2.2 You definitely have come up with some way cool ways to reengineer a few things. And may I say those are very sexy pistons, jesus!!!!!!!! I was hoping you would shows us pictures of this new buildup. Keep on keepin on! _________________ 86 Syncro Wolfsburg edition
63 Beetle (The Iceracer) |
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McHuntley Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2002 Posts: 791 Location: Costa Mesa, CA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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How well does the 2.2 behave?
Better HP? Better MPH?
Also, I do not recognize the two blue hoses coming over the top of the engine.
Awesome looking job.
Matt _________________ Any opinions stated here are my own, otherwise someone else would have said them. |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, y'all.
Andrew, oil will weep down the main saddle stud bores, but is kept in by the nuts that go on the ends. Four capnuts are within the right side water jacket, the other two plain nuts with washers are outside the jacket alongside the bellhousing flange. I use sealant on the seats of the nuts. Putting some of the Reinzosil or Dirko around the bolts, too, probably isn't a bad idea. I think my rationale at the time was so as not to affect the crush on the bearing saddles at all. There is coolant under low pressure on one side, and oil under no presure on the other, so sealing the water from getting in under the nuts is the primary concern. I haven't ever had leakage under those nuts so just sealing the nut seats does the job. That's the treatment on all the head nuts, too, and they all have hot pressurised water behind them.
FYI, this is built using these new Chinese pistons by QSC. Cheap stuff, only $200 a set, but the casting and machining work is decent and clearances are correct. They are 96mm diameter, so they make a 2.2 on a stock 76mm stroke crank. The come with new cylinder sleeves that are cast for 96mm, not bored out from stock sleeves, so the sleeves are thicker.
The problem with the pistons is, the wrist pins are too high in the piston, so in a stock setup they would be about 0.9mm below deck, giving low compression just like the Cofap Brazilian ones and the AA Chinese ones. Seems to be an international conspiracy to make us suffer from low compression. But all of these are good candidates for using a 0.1" longer rod, which puts the piston top over deck, and cutting down the piston tops to both correct the deck to zero and at the same time reduce the piston dish volume. In this setup it resulted in a 9.72:1 static CR. With the cam I'm using, dynamic CR is 8.7:1 at sea level, but only 7.7:1 at my typical driving altitude (7 to 8 dynamic CR is a good range for pump gas).
I'm trying these as a test. This motor will likely be torn down in a year so I can see how they hold up.
The other problem with the piston set is that the wrist pins are too long, which I've notified them of so they should fix that, and the ringset they supply is unusable. I anticipated the rings being crap, so no surprise there, and I had Deves make up a custom set for me.
Matt, the blue hoses go to an external oil cooler. Story about that setup here:
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=102662
Power out of this motor is good, really nice bottom-end torque, although it could have more up high if I had a bigger diameter exhaust. I'm going to make up my own in 1 5/8" tubing as soon as I can. The large overlap on this cam needs better breathing in the upper revs, and I think then it will make much more power there. Idle is pretty lumpy, though: this cam is 308deg. advertised duration, in hydro grind. So basically, motor is built, but I'm still tuning. |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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tencentlife wrote: |
Andrew, oil will weep down the main saddle stud bores, but is kept in by the nuts that go on the ends. Four capnuts are within the right side water jacket, the other two plain nuts with washers are outside the jacket alongside the bellhousing flange. I use sealant on the seats of the nuts. Putting some of the Reinzosil or Dirko around the bolts, too, probably isn't a bad idea. I think my rationale at the time was so as not to affect the crush on the bearing saddles at all. There is coolant under low pressure on one side, and oil under no presure on the other, so sealing the water from getting in under the nuts is the primary concern. I haven't ever had leakage under those nuts so just sealing the nut seats does the job. That's the treatment on all the head nuts, too, and they all have hot pressurised water behind them. |
Sounds good to me. Great work. Thanks for the Porn!
Andrew |
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mellow cat Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 236
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Bravo !
sure is purty...I really like the oil sump mod.
MC |
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Lanval Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2007 Posts: 905
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Outstanding work, outstanding post!
Impressive in manifold ways ~ thanks for the pix and write-up; it's really a great little instructional post. Thanks again,
Lanval |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I like your bleeder mod. I use the rotary tool and cut a channel in the threads being careful not to hit the sealing surface.
Andrew |
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Chuck77 Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2007 Posts: 170 Location: Brush Prairie, WA
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think you may be on to something here Tencent. I was amazed at your solar/dual battery set up, your household set up and then this takes the cake. I would pay good money to see your personal version of the Bentley.... Keep up the good work! |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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So, the rods are.100" longer? What are they made to fit? And you said by CB, right? How much for those?
I'm a little foggy on what is the purpose of the oil pickup mod.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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reiney Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2006 Posts: 120 Location: Santa Fe, NM
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Nice job!
I see you used those intake parts in the goodie box I
included w/ the motor
R. |
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msinabottle Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2005 Posts: 3492 Location: Denver Area, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: Just Awesome |
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What a job you've done, dear fellow! And thank you so much for documenting what you've done and for passing the information on.
A bored-and-stroked 1.9 is my most likely choice for when Winston's motor finally needs the treatment--may that day be long off! I hope the people who are building the engines for sale are noting the hard work of inventors and experimenters such as yourself.
Thank You!
Best! _________________ 'Winston,' '84 1.9 WBX Westy
Vanagon Poet Laureate: "I have suffered in
many ways, but never, never, never in silence." |
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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very sexy |
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