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rowan Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: Installing cruise control - the never ending story |
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I'm installing (trying to install?) a cruise control in my '87 Syncro. It did not have a factory cruise control so I had to put a vss in the speedometer. I've finished the install and the cruise control doesn't work. When I do the self test it indicates that I have vss problems. Does anyone know how the vss should be wired? It has two posts and I just ran one of them to the cruise control with nothing on the other. I'm guessing this is incorrect. I know that several folks on Samba have installed this same cruise control (Rostra) so it can be done.
thanks,
r
Ron Tipton
Knoxville, TN
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rs4-380 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 449 Location: Maine
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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you don't need a speed sensor with a manual transmission, just use the tach wire.
edit: I actually don't know that specifically about the rostra unit, but you should be able to, and you certainly can with the audiovox one. _________________ Dave
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Dogpilot Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2005 Posts: 4205 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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The grey wire in the connector up front goes to one leg of the VSS. The other leg of the VSS goes to ground. You can check it by putting it in test mode and rolling the car in neutral and watch to see if the LED pulses there by the switches as the car moves (it may only flash once every 5 feet or so). Do hook up the tach as well, it uses both inputs. I didn't hook up a clutch switch.
I believe I owe you the switch settings, which I forgot to give you some time ago.
1. on high
2. on high
3. on
4. off
5. off 6400
6. on
7. on
8. off 4 cyl/high
9. on
10. off sine wave
11. off manual
12. off open circuit (for the Rostra Controller) _________________ Geology with a Syncro rocks!
86 Syncro Westy AKA "The Bughunter"
98 Disco I
08 Range Rover SC
08 VW Rabbit S
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bucko Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2004 Posts: 2617 Location: Coppell, Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Dogpilot (and others),
I remember awhile back you posting the make/model of your cruise control system.
Could you repost the link? I'd like to add one to my Vanagon. Will it work if your early Vanagon does not have a speed sensor on the speedo, Such as the pre 86 speedos? _________________ Current VW drives: 1984 Westfalia
Past VW drives: 1967 Beetle, 1973 Beetle, 1977 Bus, 1971 Military Type 181 |
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rowan Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Dogpilot wrote: |
The grey wire in the connector up front goes to one leg of the VSS. The other leg of the VSS goes to ground. You can check it by putting it in test mode and rolling the car in neutral and watch to see if the LED pulses there by the switches as the car moves (it may only flash once every 5 feet or so). Do hook up the tach as well, it uses both inputs. I didn't hook up a clutch switch. |
Dogpilot you have (once again) saved the day. It works! All I needed to do was to ground the other leg of the VSS. I owe you big time!
r
Ron Tipton
Knoxville, TN
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kevinbassplayer Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2006 Posts: 1041 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Ok maybe a dumb question, but adding an aftermarket cruise control is high on my list, but what is a "VSS", is this part necessary to add the cruise control, and if so, where do I get one? Thanks guys! |
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Dogpilot Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2005 Posts: 4205 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I put in the Rostra Cruise Control:
http://www.rostra.com/cruise-control.htm
The Global Cruise come in two model, electric and vacuum. Use electric, far simpler installation. There are a whole host of different stalks, and you can re-use a VW one. I like their digital model best. You can get a magnet kit and put the magnets on the tranny output CV Joint.
I didn't care for having a third stalk, and the VW one not as precise so I made one combining a VW turn signal stalk and some ingenuity. THe cruise control can be had from several vendors or off ebay.
_________________ Geology with a Syncro rocks!
86 Syncro Westy AKA "The Bughunter"
98 Disco I
08 Range Rover SC
08 VW Rabbit S
1951 O-1G |
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rs4-380 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 449 Location: Maine
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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kevinbassplayer wrote: |
Ok maybe a dumb question, but adding an aftermarket cruise control is high on my list, but what is a "VSS", is this part necessary to add the cruise control, and if so, where do I get one? Thanks guys! |
vehicle speed sensor. i guess it comes with the rostra unit.
I used an audiovox vacuum unit. Not sure why it's more difficult to install as the only difference is that you have to tee into the fat vacuum line coming off the manifold. With the audiovox unit and a manual you don't need a vss and the only connections you need are +12v, ignition switched 12v, instrument panel lighting, ground, brake light, and tach wire. It's awfully straightforward. It's also cheaper then the rostra unit. You can find it on amazon. If you have an automatic, you'll need a vss no matter what. _________________ Dave
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kevinbassplayer Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2006 Posts: 1041 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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So if I have a manual trans and get the Rostra electric unit is everything I need included or do I need to get the VSS from somewhere else? I'm planning on buying a unit soon and just trying to get edumacated. I did run a search on "cruise control" but it did'nt answer all my questions, which is why I'm asking. Thanks! |
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Dogpilot Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2005 Posts: 4205 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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The VSS kit for a non-VSS equipped car is an option. Summit illustrates most of the options.
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=115+400615 _________________ Geology with a Syncro rocks!
86 Syncro Westy AKA "The Bughunter"
98 Disco I
08 Range Rover SC
08 VW Rabbit S
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