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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: Coil discussion |
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Original post:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...0169726448
i will try to get that dead body to make a cutaway .....pictures will follow soon if i win the auction ...
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HeSa wrote: |
A star coil is not the only correct coil for pre 1952 Splits. Infact it seems that it is incorrect for 1951 cars.
Bosch 1952 blue spare parts book lists the following:
VW 1947-1950: TE 6 A 3 früher = earlier TL 6/1
VW 1951: same as above
For Goliath the change from TL 6/1 to TE 6 A 3 is mentioned and took place on 11 November 1950. For VW the date is not mentioned.
The TE 6 coils are not star coils. They have the "reserve" place for the third connector in the bakelite as seen in the picture. The other end has a round pressing.
And it appears to be the correct coil for splits. For 1951s and for some in the range of 1947-1950. At least according to Bosch
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lzamora wrote: |
I have 3 coils.... One is a TE6B1, second is a TE6A3 and the third is a star coil TL 6/1. Im trying to figure out which one is correct for a January 53 Zwitter and a May 56 oval? Any help |
TL 6/1 was used before November 1, 1950
TE 6 A3 was used after November 1, 1950
TE6B1 was used on August 14, 1956 starting with chasis 1261493
See Progressive Refinements, Volume 1, Electrical TAB, E-14
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/progressive_refinements/ |
_________________ in my Garage:
1951 crotch cooler split
1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
2010 Mercedes Benz c200 kompressor touring |
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Rollo Tomasi Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2006 Posts: 372 Location: La Paz , Baja . Guadalajara. Mexico
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Again thats is not 356 pre-a , Romano should know that.
TK (fat) Porsche vs TE (thin) VW. is not that hard |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Rollo Tomasi wrote: |
Again thats is not 356 pre-a , Romano should know that.
TK (fat) Porsche vs TE (thin) VW. is not that hard |
Oh................he knows. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Rollo Tomasi Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2006 Posts: 372 Location: La Paz , Baja . Guadalajara. Mexico
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Someone in BC sold two TK/6 (one NOS in box one nice used) to a friend of mine as a correct star coils for his 1950 split. 600 euros he paid.
He came back to Mexico all happy with his finds and I had to tell him the truth. |
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HeSa Samba Member
Joined: January 15, 2007 Posts: 466 Location: FINLAND
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at the bracket the eboy coil is neither VW nor Porsche. Good luck with the bidding |
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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: |
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maybe the bracket is bent ????
what that star coil could be for ??????
Ricardo _________________ in my Garage:
1951 crotch cooler split
1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
2010 Mercedes Benz c200 kompressor touring |
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Genrich Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: OK I'm game |
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Ok,
I need to know the difference between the TK (fat) Porsche vs TE (thin) VW.
Does anyone know? (Bob) Anyone? (John H.)......
Erich
Coil deprived as a child _________________ 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions. |
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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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one is thin, the other is fat , these are the differences ....
btw the thin one is not "te" it is "tl" , correct me if i am wrong
Ricardo _________________ in my Garage:
1951 crotch cooler split
1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
2010 Mercedes Benz c200 kompressor touring |
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Rollo Tomasi Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Right!! the one I have here is Stamped TL 6/4 , but I remember saw TE in other car vws??
What about voltage diferencies,?? |
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mr. patina Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2005 Posts: 179 Location: splitsville
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: |
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i had it in my hands last weekend in mannheim on the veterama.
price was 50eur.
i think the star is just stamped in the top of the coil....... |
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Genrich Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Ricardo,
Do you mean the diameter of the coil itself or the bead around the "star" of the coil?
Erich _________________ 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions. |
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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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NO , I MEAN THE DIAMETER OF THE COIL BY ITSELF ....IT IS ABOUT 52MM FOR THE THIN , BUT I DON`T HAVE A FAT ONE TO MEASURE ...
WAS ROMANO SELLING THAT COIL AT VETERAMA ?? _________________ in my Garage:
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1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
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Rollo Tomasi Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I will measure the diameter of the TK(fat) on my 52 |
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I have both kinds at home, will measure tonight.... _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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virtanen Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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My thin TL 6/1 dia is ca. 52.2 mm
My fat TK6/3 dia is ca. 63.8 mm
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billmetric Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2006 Posts: 1060 Location: Columbus City USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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interesting style of coil there but obviously neither a VW nor Porsche with that type of mounting, looks like a possible bargain if you need a wrong part that hasnt been "proofed" the seller should know better than to represent it as a VW part ... _________________ There is an idea of a Billmetric; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there... |
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oldbarnvws Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2006 Posts: 9 Location: gamble city , nevada
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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no surprises here .....do you know who`s selling the coil ? the good ol`romano ! |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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My skinny one is marked "TL 6/1" _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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mr. patina Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2005 Posts: 179 Location: splitsville
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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yes, ricardo, romano was the seller and is also the seller of the coil on ebay.
i saw some tk12 coils today, they cost around 80eur.
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HeSa Samba Member
Joined: January 15, 2007 Posts: 466 Location: FINLAND
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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A star coil is not the only correct coil for pre 1952 Splits. Infact it seems that it is incorrect for 1951 cars.
Bosch 1952 blue spare parts book lists the following:
VW 1947-1950: TE 6 A 3 früher = earlier TL 6/1
VW 1951: same as above
For Goliath the change from TL 6/1 to TE 6 A 3 is mentioned and took place on 11 November 1950. For VW the date is not mentioned.
The TE 6 coils are not star coils. They have the "reserve" place for the third connector in the bakelite as seen in the picture. The other end has a round pressing.
And it appears to be the correct coil for splits. For 1951s and for some in the range of 1947-1950. At least according to Bosch
Last edited by HeSa on Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:34 am; edited 2 times in total |
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