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The Gnome Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: Cargo Door Handle Lock Question |
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Does anyone have a diagram or tech drawing of how the lock mechanism (tumbler and lock pin) in the cargo door handle works? My bus is a 65 and I cannot get the cargo door handle to lock or unlock from the outside using the key. I had new keys cut by Gabriel's and the codes match. The key works on all my other doors but I cannot seem to get the cargo lock to turn.
I've cleaned the handle, soaked everything with PB Blaster for 24 hours, removed the tiny screw that holds the tumbler and can even get the little lock pin to move a bit. No matter what I do the key will not turn and the tumbler won't come out so I have no idea what is wrong with the internals and why they won't work. Anyone have any hints or ideas? My next plan is to try using heat to see if it frees up. Could the cut of the key be wrong or could the tumbler have been changed out of the handle so maybe the code is wrong (the key does go all the way into the lock without a problem)? Any help is appreciated and I've already searched the forums.
_________________ 1957 Dove Blue DD Panel (OG paint) |
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bmx2c4me Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2003 Posts: 642 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Did he rekey your lock cylinders or just cut keys to the code? Sounds like someone replaced the cargo door cylinder, or it was rusted with a key in it at some point. |
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The Gnome Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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He just cut keys to my code. I had the original key when I got the bus but it broke from being rusty. I'm thinking that someone replaced the tumbler maybe but I really would like to know what the inside of the lock pin area looks like. _________________ 1957 Dove Blue DD Panel (OG paint) |
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bmx2c4me Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I realize that now, after re-reading.
Be happy you have a T-code handle in good shape.
You may have to send the handle to Gabe or another VW key guy and try other keys with similar lock codes. I don't think the cylinder will come out if any of the wafers aren't in the "resting" position. |
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Stocknazi Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2004 Posts: 5150
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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i had to gently heat the handle for my 61, but the actual pin was fairly rusty. yours looks like it is in awesome shape. are you trying to work the handle lock with it removed? if you have the door eschushion installed upside down the handle lock will not work when you install it in the door. _________________ WANTED:
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The Gnome Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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I think I'll try heating it up today to see if I can make it move. The lock pin is all clean and I can tap it lightly with a punch and it moves a bit. I'm trying to get the lock to work out of the door with the collar removed. I've also tried it in the door with the pin and collar lined up correctly. How far out does the pin actually move and does it come out of both sides of the handle or only on the side with the screw? _________________ 1957 Dove Blue DD Panel (OG paint) |
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bmx2c4me Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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It only comes out on one side approx 4-5mm or so.
I can't imagine a handle that looks that good has a rusted lock cylinder. Was it rechromed or anything? |
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The Gnome Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Do you know which side the lock pin comes out from, the side with the key code and screw or the side without? I don't want to try tapping it out the wrong way. The handle is original to my bus and has not been rechromed from what I can tell. _________________ 1957 Dove Blue DD Panel (OG paint) |
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12401
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't use a torch.
I would not tap the lock pin. I think that could possibly break the tip off the lock cylinder.
Insert key into lock. Wiggle key as you pull it back out. The cylinder should come with.
If this doesn't work, sprray penetrating oil down the lock where the key goes and repeat tomorrow.
The cylinder should just slide out now that you have the little screw out. That's been the tricky part for me.
When you take the cylinder out the little wafers can pop out unless you have a key in the cylinder. Careful!
Oh, the cylinder should come out fine even w/o a key, or with the wrong key in the cylinder. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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The Gnome Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Melbourne, FL
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Clara. I wondered if the tumbler would come out of the handle without the key. I've tried it with the right key, the wrong key and even a small screwdriver and pick (being very gentle) and it still won't come out. I'll try soaking everything again and hope that it loosens up. Can you explain how the tumbler works the lock pin? That part I don't know until I can get it all apart. _________________ 1957 Dove Blue DD Panel (OG paint) |
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slow36hp scott wimberley
Joined: August 09, 2004 Posts: 3113 Location: mukilteo washington
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The Gnome Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, thanks for the info. I have everything soaking in PB Blaster again until tomorrow and I'll try to get the tumbler out again. I hope the damn thing comes out this time. _________________ 1957 Dove Blue DD Panel (OG paint) |
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Stocknazi Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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i might need to clarify that when i used a torch to loosen my handle pin it was rusty and i only heated it enough to put some heat in it; you don't want to melt the potmetal. i also used generous amounts of pb blaster. _________________ WANTED:
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vitwagen Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2003 Posts: 128 Location: ROMA ITALIA
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've a similar problem...
I ve 2 L code 67 keys from gabriel, all work greatly but the po changed the cargo door handle with a 65 so i have to change the cylinder.
What i have to do?
Only remove the little screw and get out the cylinder from the front of the handle?
Thanks in advance. |
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vitwagen Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2003 Posts: 128 Location: ROMA ITALIA
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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vitwagen wrote: |
I've a similar problem...
I ve 2 L code 67 keys from gabriel, all work greatly but the po changed the cargo door handle with a 65 so i have to change the cylinder.
What i have to do?
Only remove the little screw and get out the cylinder from the front of the handle?
Thanks in advance. |
done...
i 've the cylinder.. |
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fluxcap Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2006 Posts: 1969 Location: Newnan GA
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Got a couple of questions about the lock pin in the cargo door cylinder. I recently got a 66 bus and was putting the guts back in all the doors and noticed the cargo door lock mechanism didn't look complete. Searched on here and realized it's missing the square locking pin.
Question #1, Here is a pic of the cylinder. I think it's all intact, but since the square pin is missing, I just want to make sure what is shown is all there should be (ie...part of the tip isn't broken off is it???)
Question #2, assuming the cylinder isn't broken, can I just buy a ratty junk handle at the swaps and use the block from it. I want to re-use my cylinder since it matches my other doors.
Question #3, Anybody got any pics of the square block removed from the cylinder? Is it just a square block? Does it have a hole that the end of the cylinder fits into, or does it just ride up and down on the end of the cylinder? I've read a few people say the cylinder has to be removed before the block will come out, so I'm guessing they are connected somehow.
Thanks for any and all replys!
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14271 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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#1. That look good. The tit is the cam that slides the pin in and out.
#2. Yes. The square ones are an improved version but you can't put a square peg in a round hole.
#3. Someone got a pic? |
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fluxcap Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2006 Posts: 1969 Location: Newnan GA
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info! If anyone has a pic of the square pin, I'd still really like to see what one looks like. _________________ Eric - 1966 camper bus
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KevinAlbrecht Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Somewhat related hijack:
Is anyone making the cargo door collars that the handle slides into? _________________ Kevin Albrecht
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bill may Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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KevinAlbrecht wrote: |
Somewhat related hijack:
Is anyone making the cargo door collars that the handle slides into? |
my original collar for my handle was so pitted it had no shine at all. since i had a collar off a rear hood t-handle for a beetle (63 and older) i used a dremel cutoff wheel to shorten the beetle collar to bus length. works fine and looks NOS in place. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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