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jjshets Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2008 Posts: 116 Location: AZ
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: Air Ride |
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Anybody in the Phoenix area that knows anything about air ride suspension? who i could have do some custom welding for me? any info about air ride, installing, in phoenix would be helpful. |
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R.Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2003 Posts: 1565 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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hit LowlifeVW most of the guys on there are outs AZ and a few work with air ride stuff
do a search though, it will save you a lot of time _________________ Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation eff' leans on the doorbell!
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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The DDB has Full bolt on kits
and i think airkewled has the rear swing axle and i think air shocks in front
ask maybe square on air
hes the only one i can think of that has a type 3 air ride WithOut bolt on mounts
Damn why are the bolt ons So damn expensive
and airkewled sells complete mount sets (expensive)
and i Dont think The DDB will sell just the mounts
Just my 2 bits _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
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Mr. Bubblehead El Chupa Nibre
Joined: October 25, 2002 Posts: 2756 Location: 612 Wharf Avenue
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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sharkskinman wrote: |
Damn why are the bolt ons So damn expensive |
I thought the same thing a couple years ago when I put my bus on air ride. I decided to build my own and it still cost about $1500 in materials and quite a few hours in it.
I'm currently building a single bag air beam for one of my type 3's and it's adding up very quick $$$$! _________________ OGST
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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i'm looking forward to my DDB system being installed on my 343! best part? i dont have to figure out what to use... Martin and Toby have already figured that out for me! _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Thats the biggest reason i can come up with too.
I wouldnt mind doin it myself but in the idea of
-i dont have a place to go and weld-
The package will be exactly what i need
I dont have to look any further
Anyone have pics of the actual mounts of the DDB has made
i get how the back will probably go ...
but the front, im stumped
Ive seen pics and vidoes of the setup in motion
but have never seen the workings
either way
They say bolt on - and thats simple enough _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
Me of Course wrote: |
Extremity is relative to how far your willing to jump |
Ward Cleaver wrote: |
You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the wind shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a 90-pound midget at over 300 yards |
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TheDDB Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2003 Posts: 752 Location: Type 3 Central - Portland OR -
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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For those interested in the air ride here is a video clip off a square we just did:
Link
_________________ Martin Magnia
Home of the only bolt on type 3 air ride kit
http://www.theDDB.com
Its a type 3 thing, so you might not understand
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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so, do you think it will work in a type 3 with a type 3 front end? _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13281 Location: Tejas!
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yodismatt Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 51 Location: Cape Coral/ Ft. Myers
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Front doesn't go low enough, I am lower without air. |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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I thought they had driveways in FL? |
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jjshets Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2008 Posts: 116 Location: AZ
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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thats my problem, i dont want to get stuck going up my driveway curb.
i could get ramps out every time i want to take it out... but i am lazy. and then there is all those speed bumps. three wheels would just be for fun though. |
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djsun Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 255 Location: Portland OR.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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That's my green square back up there with the new air ride. Here are my thoughts.
It was lower before the air, and I want it lower still.
I'm either going to go dropped spindles or find a way to re-work the front bag mounts, I'll keep everyone posted.
It rides better now, even with just a few pounds of air in the front then it did with just turned splines.
No 3 wheel. From what I can tell bagged cars with independent 4 wheel suspension can't do 3 wheel. you cant suck up one wheel. The type 3's with the bug beam and the one bag in the middle can do it because the modification make the front end behave like a solid Axel.
So unless you have a solid Axel or a bug beam with a single bag or Hydraulics, I don't see 3 wheel motion in your future.
I could be wrong this is just an observation. |
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Eanderson Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2008 Posts: 103 Location: Friendswood,Tx
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Here's some pics of my front beam. Four inches narrowed, machined axles, relocated steering box, cantilever style, bags push off the welded-in mild steel tubing front braces. Front frame ends cut, plated, and raised 2 inches. I did all the work myself with the help of a good friend, who's also a custom car builder/fabricator. The front pan is half an inch from the ground. Without dropped spindles or a type 1 beam. It took hours and hours to build. If you payed a car fabricator to build this front suspension it would cost thousands. The bolt on kits like the DDB are the way to go. All the enginering, trial and error has been done. Also a hobbiest can probably install it.
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Mr. Bubblehead El Chupa Nibre
Joined: October 25, 2002 Posts: 2756 Location: 612 Wharf Avenue
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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^^^ Nice ride! _________________ OGST
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frank2 Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 246 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Callin out B-funk show em how to lay rocker! |
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vwfye Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2000 Posts: 7661
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Erin,
since it is air ride... just to know, is the narrowed t3 beam still stuffed with the torsions and the swaybars? _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
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Mr. Bubblehead El Chupa Nibre
Joined: October 25, 2002 Posts: 2756 Location: 612 Wharf Avenue
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Where did you get that fuel cell, and what size is it? _________________ OGST
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2002 Posts: 4070 Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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djsun wrote: |
It was lower before the air, and I want it lower still. |
I'll be happy when mine gets that low.
Wouldn't lower make it undrivable?
Eric Anderson wrote: |
If you payed a car fabricator to build this front suspension it would cost thousands. |
That was my first thought. Reminds me of the air ride/tag wheel on a charter bus. _________________ Everything known to man has been written.
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djsun Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 255 Location: Portland OR.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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The lowest part of the car now (beam) is about 2.5 " from the ground when fully down in front, and you can't drive it like that because the air bag is collapsed on itself and that is bad for it. You have to put a few pounds of air in the bag to drive it witch raises it up a couple inches.
With dropped spindles i figure it will go down about 1.75" more then is does now, witch means i can drive it 1.75 inches lower with air in it. |
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