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ClareSutton Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2004 Posts: 466 Location: Sarnia Ontario
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Distributor delema |
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Started my '71 notch today after a total engine rebuild. The strange thing is though I couldn't get it to start until I started looking at the timing. It appears my distributor is 180 degrees out. If I switch the #1 and #3 wires and the #2 and #4 wires it runs like a dream. I used my strobe light and fine tuned the timing but now when the timing mark on the pulley is lined up and the rotor is lined up with the dist notch it's #3 thats at top dead centre not #1. I know the dist dog and the dist drive slot are off-set so lifting the dist and rotating the rotor 180 degrees won't fix it. I guess it's alright as long as I remember that top dead centre for cyl #1 is 180 degrees off. RIGHT??? Do I need to fix this? If so, How? Any tip is greatly appreciated. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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You can leave the wires moved or you could remove the retaining pin on the drive dog and reinstall it 180 off.
_________________ Glenn
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ClareSutton Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Glen. I Appreciate the help. |
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
Joined: February 01, 2006 Posts: 5362 Location: Murrieta California
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
You can leave the wires moved or you could remove the retaining pin on the drive dog and reinstall it 180 off.
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according to russ, doing this is BAD because it causes the #3 cylinder with the retarded lobe to be on the #1 cylinder.
this method only works if you're using an 009 or other mechanical distributor without the retarded lobe for #3. _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: |
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JSMskater wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
You can leave the wires moved or you could remove the retaining pin on the drive dog and reinstall it 180 off.
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according to russ, doing this is BAD because it causes the #3 cylinder with the retarded lobe to be on the #1 cylinder.
this method only works if you're using an 009 or other mechanical distributor without the retarded lobe for #3. |
If the distributor drive is off 180 degrees and to rotate the drive dog 180 you are actually correcting the problem as long as you turn the body 180.
Think about it. _________________ Glenn
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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ON a FI T-3, the distributor has trigger points in the base. Those need to be reasonably timed too. So that the rigth pair of injectors is opening at the right time.
If you know the distributor drive is in right, and the distributor is 180 out, then someone had flipped the drive dog before. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34013 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Is your Canadian notch with EFI or carbs? |
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ClareSutton Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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My notch is a FI model. I'm trying to understand what I might have done during the engine rebuild. It might be the way I re-installed the dist drive although I payed close attention to the manual (slot at 60 derees angle to block. Narrow side of slot pointed in the proper direction). I can't think of anywhere else I might have caused this. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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You were on TDC for #3 and not #1. Remember the cam turns at half speed to the crankshaft. _________________ Glenn
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ClareSutton Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2004 Posts: 466 Location: Sarnia Ontario
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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If I set my valves starting with cyl 3 instaed of cyl 1 without knowing and set the remaining cylinders the same could this be my problem? I have switched the wires 1 for 3 and 2 for 4 and it runs. Maybe I need to check and make sure that when cyl 1 is definitely at TDC both valves are closed. If one is open could the car actually run just by switching wires? |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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No, the valves must be adjusted at TDC! Changing timing does not rectify it. You can damage the engine by running it with maladjusted valves. |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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This is what the gear should look like when the engine is on TDC #1.
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Notice the use of a thin rod to make sure the spring and washers do NOT get dropped into the case! A little grease on the shims also makes them stay in place once there. |
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