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bigbadben Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2008 Posts: 73 Location: san marcos
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: driving a car on the street with a spool |
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hey i have a 63 bug
its an every day driver
its got mild power 138 hp
its a 1776
and ive been wantin to run a spool in it
can it be done or is it a pain in the ass |
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The Noof Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 4346
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Not very streetable:can be dangerous on wet pavement.Posi is better. |
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bigbadben Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2008 Posts: 73 Location: san marcos
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: hmmm |
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ok well where would i get a posi |
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The Noof Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 4346
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Look in the classifieds:ZF, Quaiffe, and Pelligrin are all more than capable units for your application. |
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bigbadben Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2008 Posts: 73 Location: san marcos
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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if i dont drive when its wet out side
what would the car act like |
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The Noof Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 4346
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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You don't need a spool with a 1776, bro.It doesn't make that much HP.Go posi. |
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bigbadben Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2008 Posts: 73 Location: san marcos
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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well check it when i come out the burn out box in third gear after about 10 feet i noticed that its only spinning one wheel
but the car is a daily driver
posi is expensive |
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turbodon1776 Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2006 Posts: 626 Location: Costa Mesa
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Get the welder out
lincoln-posi
jk i wouldnt do that
i know ppl that run spools on the street no big deal. some say its a big no-no.
doesnt berg sell a poor mans posi that just shims the dif real tight? |
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RIS Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2003 Posts: 3043 Location: Youngstown, Ohio
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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turbodon1776 wrote: |
doesnt berg sell a poor mans posi that just shims the dif real tight? |
Bingo, even when I ran a stock transaxle in my car I had a Berg PMP and I could always get both wheels spinnning in the burnout box.
You have to shim it tight to make it work, actually pretty easy to install with the transaxle out. Worked so well I put one in my $$$ close-ratio trans even with the Super Diff.
Big Bad Ben, please tell us how you're getting 138hp out of a 1776cc? Got Boost? _________________ Richard Sedoris - VW Performance & Machine - Youngstown, OH
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markhuebbe Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2006 Posts: 379 Location: St. Louis, USA
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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They're a ton of fun trying to parallel park or make U turns. _________________ Glenn
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Hotrodvw Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2004 Posts: 6327 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I can tell you I wouldn't want to drive it. _________________ '67 Sunroof
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78x94 with IDA's....oober fun
Horsepower is an addiction........Addictions cost
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wardvwracer Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2002 Posts: 489 Location: De Pere, WI
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
They're a ton of fun trying to parallel park or make U turns. |
Glenn, I think the trick is to rev the engine and pop the clutch to get the tires spinning. This way they don't bind up. _________________ David Ward
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rrh63 Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2007 Posts: 118 Location: Corona Via "The Devils Pit" El Sereno Ca.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: spool |
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Spools are for the "track", bottom line. |
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oldbugs Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2002 Posts: 185 Location: Deerfield Beach, FL.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I have one in my 66 mustang, its for for a while, then it just sucks . Don't run out of gas, pushing it will be easy until you have to TURN then your going to need some help. _________________ I've got 2 dollars and I'm saving it... |
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bigbadben Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2008 Posts: 73 Location: san marcos
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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RIS wrote: |
turbodon1776 wrote: |
doesnt berg sell a poor mans posi that just shims the dif real tight? |
Bingo, even when I ran a stock transaxle in my car I had a Berg PMP and I could always get both wheels spinnning in the burnout box.
You have to shim it tight to make it work, actually pretty easy to install with the transaxle out. Worked so well I put one in my $$$ close-ratio trans even with the Super Diff.
Big Bad Ben, please tell us how you're getting 138hp out of a 1776cc? Got Boost? |
no assist yet
just asspirated right now
just the correct commbinations and a little bit a luck
these numbers r whith no belt and a stinger
and a dad thats been doin it for forty years
thanks for the informatinon |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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RIS wrote: |
Big Bad Ben, please tell us how you're getting 138hp out of a 1776cc? Got Boost? |
My guess would be the same way Jake got 186hp from a 1500- determination!
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satterley_sr wrote: |
I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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bigbadben Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2008 Posts: 73 Location: san marcos
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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yeah but thats on an engine dyno
i dynoed mine on a chassis dyno |
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2stroke Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2003 Posts: 106
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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i wonder of the many people that posted, who has actually done it, and who does it every day?
I have and do in two separate cars.
It all really boils down to the rear tires how it will act. It actually works better with a soft sidewall bias ply tire really well. You will only notice the spool at very low speed turns, it will pull the engine down as the rear tire binds, very easy to overcome by giving it more throttle. Any other time it isnt noticeable (other than the dual black marks on the street)
With say a 165 tire it breaks it loose very easy and gives the "chirp" noise. Slow turns are much easier.
with a wider low profile tire, it makes the car "surge" going around corners, as it cant break the tire loose easily, but the sidewall is too stiff to absorb the tracking difference.
Either way, you need one for drag racing, and quaife units are just too expensive.
It works fine, but for a car never drag-raced, probably just stupid to have.
These 235 M&H's on my car work great with the spool, but wont hold up to alot of mileage.
THIS IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND YOU WILL BE FINE. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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oldbugs wrote: |
... Don't run out of gas, pushing it will be easy until you have to TURN then your going to need some help. |
When my buddy is pushing his drag car in the staging lanes, instead of reaching way in to pull up the e-brake, he just turns the steering wheel. It is very effective. _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
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