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RATTRP Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Haslet, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: Ghia floor pans on a Type 3? |
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Before you say "USE THE SEARCH OPTION", please just take a quick look.
I have read BobNotch's post... but as you all know if you have been lingering here on The Samba, this guy is amazing and can pretty much make anything look good!!!
Alright folks... I realize there is a lot of crap posted here on The Samba regarding floor pans for a Type 3 and the lack thereof in parts!
I have heard a couple hundred times, you can use Ghia pans with modification. No one ever has the specifics of what work actually needs to be performed to make them work.
So... who here has attempted the use of Ghia pans in a T3 SQB and how did it work? Got any pics, documentation, info... anything at all???
I am sure there are many, many folks who would kill for this info, well at least the modification challenged folks like myself!
Much thanks to anyone who might read this and offer their valuable advice... _________________ You laugh cause I'm different...
I laugh cause I just farted!!!
69/67 SQB's... That's all I got.
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RATTRP Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Haslet, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously... no one is going to answer? I could really use some help as could several others on this site. Any info/advice would be helpful... Thanks to all _________________ You laugh cause I'm different...
I laugh cause I just farted!!!
69/67 SQB's... That's all I got. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you are asking for the personal experience of a very small number of people, limited to those who have personally done pan replacement. It's gonna take more than 3 hours for that person to wander in, especially with a generic post title that doesn't say what you want.
You might reconsider your aversion to search... |
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RATTRP Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Haslet, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Well, you are asking for the personal experience of a very small number of people, limited to those who have personally done pan replacement. It's gonna take more than 3 hours for that person to wander in, especially with a generic post title that doesn't say what you want.
You might reconsider your aversion to search... |
Noted... and corrected. You are right in your statement, I am sure it will boil down to finding just that one person who did it and can answer the questions on a lot of Samba members minds. Thanks _________________ You laugh cause I'm different...
I laugh cause I just farted!!!
69/67 SQB's... That's all I got. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Well, you are asking for the personal experience of a very small number of people, limited to those who have personally done pan replacement. It's gonna take more than 3 hours for that person to wander in, especially with a generic post title that doesn't say what you want.
You might reconsider your aversion to search... |
I love you Phil-to the point no bs _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hope I wasn't too hard. He has a legit question. |
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Chory Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Jefferson Westside, Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I have always wondered at the complexities of this. _________________ Be kind…
Current Fleet:
‘07 Saab 9-4 2L Turbo (GM era, US bild)
‘91 Honda Beat (JDM, mid-engine, KEI) |
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miketyp3 Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2003 Posts: 130 Location: Northampton UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:09 am Post subject: |
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I've not actually done it, but I'm currently looked into it as an option for my 64 Notchback restoration, and as far as I know this is what needs to be done:-
1. Forward edge under front inner wing ( I call it the dog leg) has to be modified to fit, using either a Type 3 repair panel or a good orgiginal section.
2. the Ghia pan has a deeper rear seat passenger footwell, so the two steel bulkheads (where the rear heat comes out of) need extending downwards.
3. The very rearmost section behind battery pan has to be modified.
Sorry I don't know the exact details, but I would expect this could be achieved using parts of the original pan unless it is completely rotted out.
4. The Ghia seat rails need to be removed and the outer Type 3 ones welded on (inners are on the tunnel). 72 on cars will also need the centre seat rail transplanting.
5. For authenticity the Ghia jacking point would need to be swapped for the Type 3 one - this is of course optional.
I hope that is of some help.
I have some pics of a pan in the process of being modified, which I think I found on here.
If you PM me an e-mail address I'll send them to you.
Mike. |
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vwtype3 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2002 Posts: 41 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: ghia floor pans |
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hello,
here you are some pictures I kept from thesamba about ghia floor pans.
May be this help you.
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king-tuk Banned
Joined: April 30, 2006 Posts: 211 Location: slam ramon cali
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
Joined: February 01, 2006 Posts: 5362 Location: Murrieta California
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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whatever happened to the pans you could order from the UK? _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
TOOB Member #3
I make D-jet FI connectors |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't personally done a pan job with t-1 ghia pans (I prefer to use t-3 pans), but my dad used them on his his Square. He did his a little different though, in that he kept the outer t-3 edge, and used the ghia metal up to the mounting area of the t-3 pan section. He had to do a little pie cutting and sectioning around the battery tray area, and up front in the "dog leg", but otherwise it fit pretty decent. Sorry, I don't have any pics, as I didn't think to get any. I do know they don't drop down in the rear as much like a t-3 does, which could be a problem fitting the battery if you don't figure out how to get it dropped down enough. He also left out the jack mounts, as he uses a small floor jack that he carries in the front trunk. I hope this kinda helps. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Chory Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Jefferson Westside, Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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JSMskater wrote: |
whatever happened to the pans you could order from the UK? |
IIRC, the consensus is that—given the dollars to £ exchange rate—they are pretty pricey, especially when international freight to the west coast of the US is considered.
Basically they are prohibitively expensive. _________________ Be kind…
Current Fleet:
‘07 Saab 9-4 2L Turbo (GM era, US bild)
‘91 Honda Beat (JDM, mid-engine, KEI) |
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RATTRP Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Haslet, TX
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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This is exactly what I was hoping for... This now gives me an idea of what I might expect when doing this myself. I have to agree with BobNotch, probably just using the inner most metal of the pans would be the easiest!
I would prefer using T3 pans, but finding these here in Texas is like finding a needle in a hay stack!!! I guess the VW craze did not catch on around these parts!
Much thanks to all for your help and advice, very much appreciated! _________________ You laugh cause I'm different...
I laugh cause I just farted!!!
69/67 SQB's... That's all I got. |
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2manytoys Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 165 Location: Burlingame, California
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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What about using T3 pans in a ghia,....oh,.different topic/thread. _________________ Patrick Friel....2manytoys not enough time. |
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fasty69 Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2006 Posts: 213 Location: CANADA
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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ya thats it, some guy finds a set of nos t3 pans for 60 bucks at a yard sale, and cuts them up to fit his giha. that would go over real well here LOL _________________ Newest member of the family+New project
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: |
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RATTRP wrote: |
This is exactly what I was hoping for... This now gives me an idea of what I might expect when doing this myself. I have to agree with BobNotch, probably just using the inner most metal of the pans would be the easiest!
I would prefer using T3 pans, but finding these here in Texas is like finding a needle in a hay stack!!! I guess the VW craze did not catch on around these parts!
Much thanks to all for your help and advice, very much appreciated! |
2 good used Type 3 half pans shipped to 48 States for $300!
P.S. Matching heater channels/rockers available too! _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'm surprised too!!! They look comparable to the pans you've been using on your projects. Guaranteed to fit! I think these guys are all scared to weld and happy with plywood floors? _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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jakauffman Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: Ssquareback |
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Did you ever weld the Ghia rear pans on your Squareback? I've seen the treads and have some pretty rusty rear floor pans. I plan on buying this pan for a Ghia and welding it in. Did it work?!
http://www.evwparts.com/vwparts/40472-L.html
It's much cheaper and I think will do the job. Thanks! |
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