Peter-Max Muller heads

Simon uk · Samba Member Joined: November 13, 2003 Posts: 555

Hi chaps, last months ultra vw had an article on this car, and it mentioned some special heads that were built by porsche for an attack boat in WW2 which they managed to acquire to build the car back in the 40s. Does anyone have any views on the heads, presumably they are real hens teath items! Any photos? I guess you guys would love to get your hands on them!

Cheers, Si.

peter schepens · Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: peter max muller

This is a link to an exhibition with the cars from Peter max muller, except the black hebmuller from the VAG Museum in Wolfsburg ..this was sold some years ago.( not the black- ivory one)

http://www.prototyp-hamburg.de/new/frame.php?page=3&lang=2

It is not yet open but if you take a look at the website it will be a nice show-museum
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maartenmoerman · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:39 am Post subject:

Bit of an old topic, but i've found the scans somewhere else online.

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maartenmoerman · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:30 am Post subject:

btw, have more petermax muller related stuff at: http://www.maartenmoerman.nl/petermaxmuller/

there's really not much info to find on the web about this racer.

Björn Schewe · Samba Member Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 633

Here are some pics. The last pictures shows the secound survived PetermaxMüller-car which was driven by Huschke von Hanstein.

maartenmoerman · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:20 am Post subject:

Thanks! I didn't have those last 2 pictures, i'm traveling this month to the prototyp museum to make some measurement, as i am maybe planning to build a replica (the body that is, the engine looks like a bit too much work)

Björn Schewe · Samba Member Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 633

You can't know them because they are selfmade Wink

The last picture I got from Prototyp, because in front, there is my own Hebmüller.

The secound Petermax-cax is absolutly ungnown. I was growing 5 years to get the chance to see it. It belongs to a private collection of an old racingdriver, who died 10 years ago. The family is not interested to be a part of the vintage-szene - its just an memorial of the father...

Actually the car has a two-carburator-engine inside, but the original Petermax-engine still exist. Sorry for the bad quality of the following shots.

http://s495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/beetleaid/petromax/?action=view&current=SDC11759.jpg

DDub · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: Muller

Did Petermax Muller have a new car dealer or ONLY build and sell modified cars?

metalchomper · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:07 am Post subject:

Björn Schewe · Samba Member Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 633

maartenmoerman · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:23 am Post subject:

@Bjorn, do you have this document: http://www.maartenmoerman.nl/petermaxmuller/Classic&sports_carDez07.pdf

DDub · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:29 am Post subject:

Thank you Bjorn.

maartenmoerman · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject:

Forgot this picture...

metalchomper · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject:

mightymouse · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:26 am Post subject:

Those heads are bad ASS. oh man. think about how far ahead of his time homeboy was. dude. This made my month. i LOVE vintage tech. The stuff they did, was so awesome, why arent there any bad ass innovators like that now? people just mod what exists now. Confused

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SuperLeicht · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:29 am Post subject:

I've seen and heard this car run and it's LOUD! It was on display at the Hedingham Castle Porsche meet in England (June 2007)

A friend called Andy Prill (UK 356 Specialist) built the engine, he said the it's turbine smooth and happy to rev.

I've got some photos of the enigine, I'll post them up later.

overrestored · Samba Member Joined: December 24, 2005 Posts: 729

Not to hijack the thread... but I have a set of wheels like these... drilled out. I was wondering the origin??? My wheels are Lemmerz... dated 1949 and they are 4j by 15. Wide by the late forties standards.... and 15 inch was pretty rare then too. I suppose they are lightened racing wheels...???

They were originally on an original Heb... but the new owner didn't want them and instead installed a set of 16 inch smoothies... So I bought the weird wheels.

anyone ever seen any others like this?

DDub · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject:

Overrestored, what date is on them? Are the holes punched or drilled. They look cool, would not be hard to drill on a milling machine.

overrestored · Samba Member Joined: December 24, 2005 Posts: 729

they are dated 1949... I forget what month. The holes were drilled I think... I can see how they spiral into the steel... but there is only about 3/4 of a turn of the spiral to get all the way through the rim... so the jig was under great pressure of some sort.

The 15 inch size is weird for 1949 and the 4 inch width is also odd.

DDub · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject:

Thanks. So I guess that goes against everything we know about ALL VWs haveing 16's until '52? Drilling those would be easy, might try some.


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