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Bay Window Steve Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2006 Posts: 280 Location: Van Alstyne, Texas
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: Deluxe Question |
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Using threads I found in search, I determined that my Deluxe may not be a Deluxe after all. I also looked at the M Code plate, and mine starts with 22, not 24, which indicates a deluxe, right?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=326951&highlight=deluxe
The first numbers are not 24, but, it has the deluxe door panels with chrome trim, deluxe trim, chrome trim around the fresh air vent on the nose, BUT, the red/white paint scheme is different, and there is no evidence of a re-spray. The white is on the roof only. When I bought it, I thought it was a Deluxe someone stuffed camping interior into it. Now I wonder. Why would anyone convert a hardtop camper to a deluxe, and go through all the trouble to put chrome trim on, change the door panels etc.
Thoughts?
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vw76westy Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2007 Posts: 1584 Location: so cal
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe going back a few owners
they sold off the camper interior
& used the bus as cargo van
then sold the bus later
the next owner then puts the deluxe interior into
An empty bus
Maybe it was on its way to being parted out
someone rescued what’s left & put the deluxe interior
just think of how many owners your bus had
& if each one changed a few things .........
one owner puts the trim on
the next takes out the camper interior
the following owner replaces the panels
and so on & so on...........
It’s your turn to make a trade with someone who has the camper interior
In their deluxe |
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Bay Window Steve Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2006 Posts: 280 Location: Van Alstyne, Texas
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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I thought that, but all the deluxe panels inside are there, and who would have moved all that over, and taken the trouble of all the rest?
Very Puzzling. _________________ '73 Transporter - Driver
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Karl Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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The deluxe trim came standard on 241 and 244 buses. It was also an option on 221-228 buses with m-code M 521.
68 and 69, sun visor with mirror in it was part of the deal.
Fron 1970 model yr up the sun visor with mirror was not included. |
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Blaubus Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2003 Posts: 5153
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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in the early bay years (68-70), two tone deluxe models had white on the roof only and that is original paint i would think. by 71 they also painted white around the windows.
deluxe models have chrome glass frames on the rearmost vent wing, visible in the picture and deluxe trim on the rubber window seals. no one would find all deluxe windows and put them on a camper
i vote converted deluxe |
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GetPsycho Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2004 Posts: 1440 Location: The Frayed Ends of Sanity
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Bookwus Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2003 Posts: 1786 Location: City of Roses
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Hiya Steve,
My Bus is a 1970 "fake Deluxe" with the 22 VIN.
I gotta agree with Dan. It really sounds from your description that a PO took the Bus in stock 22 condition and tried to convert it for camping. That would explain the presence of deluxe panels in the interior.
By the way Karl FWIW, my 1970 Bus did originally come with the mirror in the passenger side visor. _________________ Mike
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Bay Window Steve Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2006 Posts: 280 Location: Van Alstyne, Texas
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, so it must be a "fake deluxe", (thanks for the vernacular) which must have come with the deluxe door panels (Grey, black, chrome strip) but carried the 22.
Eitherway, its not for resto, just Ratty camping.
Thanks for the help. _________________ '73 Transporter - Driver
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Kirk Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2003 Posts: 5487 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Its a fake deluxe.
Its a fake camper.
Fake to the second power.
Double fake.
Double Deceptive.
Double D.
Through complex math......carry the two......Tits.
Your bus is tits.
Hmm.... |
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vwdudeAirCooler Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2003 Posts: 100 Location: Irving TX
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Kirk, fer a non-buser, you post a lot in the Bay Section!
I Am Cool Fred is WATCHIN' YOU! {he has me on a retainer} _________________ Love my buses
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Kirk Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2003 Posts: 5487 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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vwdudeAirCooler wrote: |
Hey Kirk, fer a non-buser, you post a lot in the Bay Section!
I Am Cool Fred is WATCHIN' YOU! {he has me on a retainer} |
Perhaps you should post again when your Vicodin level is lower. |
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bus kid Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2007 Posts: 250 Location: under something air cooled
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Kirk wrote: |
vwdudeAirCooler wrote: |
Hey Kirk, fer a non-buser, you post a lot in the Bay Section!
I Am Cool Fred is WATCHIN' YOU! {he has me on a retainer} |
Perhaps you should post again when your Vicodin level is lower. |
and the rants are back...
a deluxe with westy windows seems like alot of work to make a deluxe into a camper. I vote tits like kirk stated. German math rocks. must be the metric system.. ala royal with cheese _________________ 1969 Deluxe you'll hear me!
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Djoul Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 216 Location: France
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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In Europe (not sure for US), real deluxe (typ24) were sunroof buses
deluxe parts were optional on classic buses (typ22)
other difference (only for t2a) was that typ24 had black wheels (L41) instead of cream
it seems to me that in Europe only a few typ22 had optional deluxe parts, instead in the US only a few deluxes are real typ24...
typ24 seem to disappear for the 74models,after this year, I had only found Typ22 with deluxe parts...
excuse my poor English _________________ "please, excuse my bad English...."
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cr@M Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2007 Posts: 1199 Location: Moscow, ID
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Karl wrote: |
68 and 69, sun visor with mirror in it was part of the deal.
Fron 1970 model yr up the sun visor with mirror was not included. |
My '72 has a sun visor/mirror combo... _________________ 1972 Deluxe named Lucidity
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when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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towd Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2005 Posts: 2458
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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dang,, This thread keeps going. The poor Bus is going to turn into a Yugo .. Converted to a Fake Deluxe Wego with a fake factory mirror above the bed |
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Mr. Loaf Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 2098 Location: Okra, Oklahoma
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Hey Bookwus, You'd look less fake with the chrome trim piece around the vent on the front of your Bus. Oh, and by the way, nice augmentation! _________________ Never drive faster than your Angel can fly
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Kirk Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2003 Posts: 5487 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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I bought Steves bus (the original bus posted about). I appears to be a fake deluxe. All the trim, all the interior panels, all the trim indicating deluxe aside from the white paint on the roof only. I ripped out the camper interior and made it a transporter instead.
Well, I did make some other small changes.... _________________ MAKE FORUMS GREAT AGAIN
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Bookwus Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Hiya Loaf,
You have one sharp pair of eyes! It's an old picture. The chrome surround for the front vents is in place now.
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towd Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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keep this in mind, late 60's early 70's , you could walk into a dealer and buy all this stuff. The bays were not often in junkyards at the time and there wasn't aftermarket parts. Not this type.
Things I don't see now days is chrome extended for the siding Door, chrome grills for air vents, chrome rear wheel opening trim, chrome at the gas door or the chrome thing behind the door handles like you see on Bugs. Parts listed where aftermarket, but a dealer item |
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