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radar02
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 Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Spark Plug wire Tube |
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I searched and didn't find anything on this. I have a 60 beetle with a 36 HP and it does not have a wire tube. I does have what appears to be factory wire clips attached to the fan shroud. Are these clips correct or should it have a tube. Thanks for the answer in advance.
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John
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Clips are correct... I believe 57 was the last year of the wire tube.
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outoftheoffice
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| My 36 horse 58 came with what looked to be the original wire tube and clamps that hold it on to the intake manifold. Let me check some of my old photos, I could be wrong if they were in fact stopped in 57. |
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royDHPNM
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maybe not "correct" but I made my own for my 67 bus, just think it hides the wires and makes it look cleaner.
not my pics but this is how I made mine.
1) FIND A OLD BROOM HANDLE IN THE TRASH...
2) FLAR BOTH ENDS W/ A 1/2 DRIVE EXT
3) DRILL TO HOLES & CONNECT THEM
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bugzz1
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maybe not "correct" but I made my own for my 67 bus, just think it hides the wires and makes it look cleaner.
not my pics but this is how I made mine.
1) FIND A OLD BROOM HANDLE IN THE TRASH...
2) FLAR BOTH ENDS W/ A 1/2 DRIVE EXT
3) DRILL TO HOLES & CONNECT THEM
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nice job  that looks clean, amazing what you can do with an old broom handle.
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DrDarby
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1960 didn't have a tube or clips. It had round rubber plugs with two holes in them. You had to unscrew the plug end of the wire and feed them through.
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Buck Naked
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royDHPNM that may not be correct but looks awsome thanks for sharing th how to.
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| 1960 didn't have a tube or clips. It had round rubber plugs with two holes in them. You had to unscrew the plug end of the wire and feed them through. |
The end of the wire unscrewed? You mean on the old wires, or do the modern ones do that too?
It was a real pain to pull the rubber shroud off the wire to snake it through the rubber plug and then get it back on. Or was I missing something REALLY obvious and I did it wrong?
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royDHPNM
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sorry for thread jacking
but thanks guys, my buddy did it to his and I thought it looked slick so I had to copy him. just go to your local dollar store and pick up a broom for 99 cents and get busy. not only my plug wires but my oil pressure wire, and power to the coil wire also fit inside. you will of course need to unscrew the ends of the spark plug wires to feed them thru but no biggie. then they make these to attach the tube to the tin, it is just a conduit clamp from the hardware store, it bolts to the bottom alternator backing plate bolt
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radar02
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Thanks for the answers. Does any ony have pictures of the correct plugs /rubber things.
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royDHPNM
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these?
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Anyone here worried about induction ??
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Buck Naked
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No! We`re talkin about spark plug cable tubes not carbs  but seriously VW used them, if the cables are good you shouldn`t have a problem unless you`re running some kinda MEGA coil.
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DrDarby
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| DrDarby wrote: |
| 1960 didn't have a tube or clips. It had round rubber plugs with two holes in them. You had to unscrew the plug end of the wire and feed them through. |
The end of the wire unscrewed? You mean on the old wires, or do the modern ones do that too?
It was a real pain to pull the rubber shroud off the wire to snake it through the rubber plug and then get it back on. Or was I missing something REALLY obvious and I did it wrong? |
The sparkplug end of VW plug wires unscrew from the cable.
Here is the proper 1960 plug wire holder.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113905451
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| No! We`re talkin about spark plug cable tubes not carbs but seriously VW used them, if the cables are good you shouldn`t have a problem unless you`re running some kinda MEGA coil. |
Ever wonder why VW stopped using them?
This is not a good way to go for performance. And as the wires age and the humidity goes up, having the wires all bunched together in a conductive metal tube is sure to have an effect.
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Yep, drscope, that is why GM Ford & Chrysler stopped using them as well as VW. They played alot of havoc with 331-394 Chrysler hemi tune up tech's in the fifties.
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| The sparkplug end of VW plug wires unscrew from the cable. |
Thanks for the answer, and sorry for sounding dense, but what do you mean by "VW plug wires"? I don't have "VW" wires on my Beetle, just ordinary-looking ones. Do only "VW" wires unscrew?
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| My 59 had an original wire loom. So I would assume they used them up to 1959. So what exactly does it harm to place the wires in a loom? Is it just a metal loom that causes havoc or is it because you have two high tension wires near each other? |
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Shadd, did you see my first post about induced voltage ? High voltage wires when grouped together can transfer their energy from one wire to another and as wires age especially in a hot engine room enviroment the situation becomes more pronounced. The stock type VW spark plug wire has copper strand wire all the way to the insulator resistor at the end ( most manufacturers use carbon strand with built in resistance ) which is a very good conductor. It take 8-10 KV to fire a plug ( remember the plug is firing on the compression stroke ) if the current can find a weak link it will jump to that instead. The spark plug wire next to it ( remember it's cylinder is not on compression stroke and it takes less voltage to jump a gap on a cylinder with no compression ) will get the voltage or sometimes the tube will get the voltage if it's closer to that wire. I have seen even new VW replacement wires leak voltage , and aftermarket quality generally is not as good as original especially these days.
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DrDarby
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| The sparkplug end of VW plug wires unscrew from the cable. |
Thanks for the answer, and sorry for sounding dense, but what do you mean by "VW plug wires"? I don't have "VW" wires on my Beetle, just ordinary-looking ones. Do only "VW" wires unscrew? |
Unless you got the junk wires with the full rubber spark plug wire end that you have to screw the nipple onto the spark plug to use, all VW, Bosch or generic replacements have hard bake-a-lite or plastic ends at the plug wire end. These simply unscrew.
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