lifter compatibility

[ShadetreeVEE]

i know i know.... lots of threads dealing with cams and lifters going on right now. but its roused a quick question from me, a comment about using stock lifters on an engle cam and the cam eating the lifters up??

just so happens im going to be using stock lifters on my w110 powered motor. am i screwed? theyre nos made in germany wizemanns. just hoping i dont have a mis matched combo. but the lifters came HIGHLY reccomended.

[DarthWeber]

I believe the Engle/Wizemann combo is what Glenn Ring uses on his 2180 with success.

[jl_1303]

Glenn SLR'ed his Wizemann's.

Also, as I understand, there are a few types of Wizemann lifters out there, namely the light type (about 55gm) and the normal ones (about 95gm). A few members on the Samba reported sucesses using the Wizemann's with double springs.

If you are to use those with single HD springs, I do not see any problems.

Frankly, I will be interested in hearing more feedbacks from other Wizemann users with double springs and Engle cams.

[Alan_U]

Slr treatment is merely assuring a nice radius on the head of the lifter. Peace of mind since its not a quick batch process on the assembly line.
However this is not a 100% success rate since the material is NOT being modified or effected.

Single valve spring application simply reduces pressure on the cam lobe/lifter contact point. Even if you look at old high mileage flat4's you'll see a concave pattern on the head of the lifter.

Oldschool german wizemanns that were the "cast" type seemed to work back in the day. The oils back then had different add packs so moly and zinc were probably an aid in antiwear.

Personally I will not use anything but udo lifters. I do feel the CB lightweights are having one of the best success rates for an inexpensive lifter. Cracking the case is not fun so I dont roll the dice when it comes to valve train.
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[vwracerdave]

UDO's lifters are grossly overpriced.
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[MConstable]

[74 Thing]

Without any decent competiton he can set the price on his product.

Considering CB's 2 piece lifters retail for $103 you can buy 4 sets of those to one of the UDO sets, but you can re-run the Udo set on a different cam and you have the piece of mind that it will not pit so that may be worth it in the long run.

Something you have to weigh when making that decision.

[veedubcrazy]

Just putting this out there... I am running triple spring Tims sig heads and using lifters that come in the orange/black box. I have not split the case to look and check but I have not seen any excessive slop being created by any possible pitting. I think the name is Risolence, I think thats how its spelled.

Hope that helps...
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[Udo.B.]

Original wizemann lifters are no longer avaliable for more than 5 years now.Another very good quality part that is no longer avalable...
The mahle ones are produced in Brasil and have not the same quality, this is why i started manufacturing the steel lifters

If someone has original wizemann they will work with engle cams. But the only came in brown and later in blue-white boxes

Udo
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[ShadetreeVEE]

mine are definitely genuine wizemanns, in NOS condition, still in the brown box, and with wax paper labeled with the wizemzann logo. ive used the febi/bilstein lifters before with an engle 100 and i know those work great. but doing a side by side comparison of the two, i can tell the fit and finish of the wizemanns are superior to the febis.

thanks for the info udo. like alot of other guys on here, id love to have a set of your lifters , but i just cant afford them at the moment

[Alan_U]

[vwracerdave]

I'm not disputing the quality of the product, only the selling price. Doesn't matter how good they are. He is raping you on the price and putting at least 2-3 extra Franklins in his pocket every set he sells, and gouging is just wrong.
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[Stripped66]

Well, that settles it...bring a tool steel lifter to market, and sell them for $100.

If you can do it, I'll buy four sets (just to meet the total cost of Udo's lifters).



I'm not going to bring in any of the usual logic, such as the increased cost of material and labor in Europe (compared to Brazil or China), or the increased production costs associated with low volume production. Or even the increased cost of procuring and machining tool steel compared to whatever cast dog sh!t is currently being used to make lifters. I won't mention any of these points in my argument. I will, however, buy four sets of your tool steel lifters when they hit the market at $100 a set.
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[74 Thing]

CB's retail for $103 and Udo's for $400.

Yes, there is a profit margin, but nobody else makes that type of quality lifter so if you want it then you have to fork out the cash.

What abou the crappy Scat lifters-they probably cost 50 cents to make-just think of the profit margin, percentage wise, on those!!!

[ShadetreeVEE]

man i really didnt mean to start a sh*t storm here, but im kind of indifferent on the cost thing. it really boils down to quality. dont get me wrong. i cringe at the price of udo's lifters and ponder what the profit margin is on them. but at the same time look at the price difference on some of the cranks that are out there now..... a good $250 will get you a china grade whatever stroke you want... and at the same time $900-$1500 will get you a good Berg or Okrasa crank, and im sure we all know the quality difference between the two. and the cost of anything with the pauter, autocraft, or carillo name on it is comparable...why?? quality and piece of mind that your not going to have parts blowing up out of no where. with vw's these days its either go the cheap route, buy a set of lifters off ebay for $20 bucks or some crap like that and replace them after 3000miles. or buy quality and pay $100(c.b. lifters) - $400 (udos), and not have to worry about it. given i only paid $80 for the wizemanns, but for the known quality of them, i couldnt pass it up.

im sure the name has a lot of correlation with the price these days, its just a fact. for the record, if there was a set of tool steel grade lifters available on the market in the $100 range hell yeah id stock up and buy a few sets. but if anything comes out, i can almost guarantee that they'll be in the $200 range. until then i just cant afford udo's lifters like i cant afford alot of other top notch quality parts. and i can live just fine with that as long as what i have works fine.

[Glenn]

[Udo.B.]

[1961bluebug]

We are not supposed to talk about price of Udos lifters. they are definitely the top of the range and they found their happy customers. I did an extensive research but finally bought CB lifters for around 105 bucks a set. If there were tool steel lifters on the market for double the price, say 200-250 per set, I would buy them because I dumped maybe 8000 in parts into this engine, but 4-5OO was simply out of my budget. maybe I´ll regret my decision, maybe not.
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[Stripped66]

[1961bluebug]

I understand and I don´t complain. Thanks.
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