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Sandscorcher Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2009 Posts: 133 Location: Europe
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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Hi there!I have a NOS Rapid Cool oil cooler...and I'm just wondering what's the best model of oil filter I could mount on it...for my 1970 1600cc baja bug.
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3/4-16 th'd
I saw some vintage pics with Pennzoil PZ-7 and Framm PH2870 and maybe(I say maybe due to blurred pictures) a Fram PH8A mounted on it.
-Pennzoil PZ-7 compares to FRAM PH43 (9-15 Valves)
-FRAM PH2870 is no more available on the market and it was replaced by the new model PH2870A compares to Pennzoil PZ-12 (22 Valves)
-FRAM PH8A compares to Pennzoil PZ-1 (12Valves)
Maybe I wrong...but can I say...more valves...better result?
Any possibility in suffocate oil flow?
Thanks!
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polkaudio Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I don't know much about the Penzoil filter.
If you're looking at Fram, use only the HP1. It's built for higher pressures, other model fram filters can blow up from the pressure.
I have friends who've experienced this.
Or go with the K&N equivalent. |
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ataim Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I like WIX. _________________ I like steak. |
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bajaherbie Samba Sooner
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: |
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X2 on the WIX filter... _________________ blank |
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Sandscorcher Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2009 Posts: 133 Location: Europe
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Sandscorcher Samba Member
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Sandscorcher Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2009 Posts: 133 Location: Europe
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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So...maybe as polkaudio says...FRAM HP1 would be a good choice.....:
http://www.power-21.com/FramPower21i/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=HP1
and the Maximum Burst Pressure (psi) is : 500 psi
Among competitors I can't find a Pennzoil reference...but I can find 2 WIX reference: 51515R or 51622
Thanks for the hint...
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ataim Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Sandscorcher wrote: |
and the Maximum Burst Pressure (psi) is : 500 psi |
Heck, I'd be happy if mine stayed about 30 psi all the time _________________ I like steak. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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thefladge Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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The Rapid Cool kit is a "bypass" kit. It replaced the stock oil cooler with a remote oil cooler and an oil filter. You don't need a high pressure oil filter for that kit.
A high pressure filter cuch as a Fram HP1 is needed for a full flow filter setup where the filter is fed straight from the oil pump.
I had a Rapid Cool kit years ago and used a Fram PH8A filter with no problem. It's much cheaper than the HP1. _________________ 1957 Vintage Baja Bug.
2110cc engine, 40 IDF Webers on Gene Berg manifolds, Engle 110 cam, Bugpack 40×35.5 Street Pro Heads, W8CC plugs, 12.5 pound Flywheel, Kennedy 1700 pound pressure plate. |
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Sandscorcher Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2009 Posts: 133 Location: Europe
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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It sounds good!
Thanks to everybody!
Cheers! |
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calsurfnative Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2014 Posts: 161 Location: Lancaster ca
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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Im mounting a oil filter mount /Thermostat combo what type of filter should i run a long one or short one that goes to my oil cooler I have room for both sizes I have a new 1904 motor im running i have heard the bigger filter can drop pressure im running a AN 8 steel braid lines to the oil cooler aprox. 4 ft each way.Thanks
List of filters that will work
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oldschool5er Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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I have been using Mobil M1 for a very long time. Always check to make sure any filter you do use has a one way check in it. _________________ HRE in Westerville,Ohio
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:17 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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MY preference is WIX brand and run long filter if you have enough room for it...
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AZOffTheWall Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:20 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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Sandscorcher wrote: |
Hi there!I have a NOS Rapid Cool oil cooler...and I'm just wondering what's the best model of oil filter I could mount on it...for my 1970 1600cc baja bug.
Features:
3/4-16 th'd
I saw some vintage pics with Pennzoil PZ-7 and Framm PH2870 and maybe(I say maybe due to blurred pictures) a Fram PH8A mounted on it.
-Pennzoil PZ-7 compares to FRAM PH43 (9-15 Valves)
-FRAM PH2870 is no more available on the market and it was replaced by the new model PH2870A compares to Pennzoil PZ-12 (22 Valves)
-FRAM PH8A compares to Pennzoil PZ-1 (12Valves)
Maybe I wrong...but can I say...more valves...better result?
Any possibility in suffocate oil flow?
Thanks!
Cheers |
I use a PH8A with Melling pump, don't rev the motor when it's cold and you'll be fine, if you can't resist use a HP1 _________________ My Build: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=665399&highlight=
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Wulfthang Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:36 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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I use a Fram PH977A.
https://www.fram.com/parts-search/PH977A/?ref=NoIg...7%20IAC6QA
It's quite a bit taller than the PH8A, a little over 7 inches tall and has the same base dimensions as the PH8A. I don't know what it's burst pressure is though. I carry a spare filter in my on-board gear box just in case this one gets hit by a rock. The metal is pretty thin. |
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Dal Churchill Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2008 Posts: 275 Location: Catalunya, Spain. Originally England UK.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:48 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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How much do HP1s sell for now? I have a couple that I purchased quite a few years ago that I no longer need. Just wondering whether they're worth selling or re-purposing. _________________ 1974 Beetle. Bus/Porsche/Rover V8 (Buick 215ci) Baja. (Unfinished project)
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:31 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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Dal Churchill wrote: |
How much do HP1s sell for now? I have a couple that I purchased quite a few years ago that I no longer need. Just wondering whether they're worth selling or re-purposing. |
HP1s have cardboard internals, so they're not worth anything in my opinion. I gave 2 away that I had before I switched to a Canton Mecca. _________________ Glenn
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Dal Churchill Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:38 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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Glenn wrote: |
Dal Churchill wrote: |
How much do HP1s sell for now? I have a couple that I purchased quite a few years ago that I no longer need. Just wondering whether they're worth selling or re-purposing. |
HP1s have cardboard internals, so they're not worth anything in my opinion. I gave 2 away that I had before I switched to a Canton Mecca. |
If their commercial value is low I'd give them away to someone that needs them. _________________ 1974 Beetle. Bus/Porsche/Rover V8 (Buick 215ci) Baja. (Unfinished project)
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:59 am Post subject: Re: What's the best oil filter for an external oil cooler? |
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Hey sell on Amazon for $10, so that's what they are worth. _________________ Glenn
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