'63 & '64 vert lid question

jaxvert · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: '63 & '64 vert lid question

I purchased a 63' vert built in may of '63. It look 90 % OG but it has a 64' style light housing on the engine lid ? are the lids different or can i just bolt up a '63 pope nose style light holder ?

Dave
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1963 Original Anthracite L469 vert.

1963 Ragtop (stolen years ago) low life fuckers !

Ace · Samba Member Joined: July 07, 2003 Posts: 1903

there were some changes in 64. The wider license light and the introduction of the push button latch. The 63 should have the earlier style light with the t handle.

WesleyGarrard · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject:

actually, 65 was the first year for the push button, 64 still had the t handle, other than that they are the same, the only thing one would have to do is switch the plate lights and fill the extra holes from the wider plate light

Ace · Samba Member Joined: July 07, 2003 Posts: 1903

yup, mid 64 to the65 model year was like that. like hens teeth but reproducable

jaxvert · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:04 am Post subject:

Thanks Fella's

It has the tee handle. I wasent sure if the upside down v in the middle of the lid was wider or longer on a '64.

One guy had told me in another thread that it might have been placed on by the factory if it was built late in the year , but the vin # is 555, That puts it in the april / may build range says the tech guide "E" has posted on here. i dont think they would have placed one on... that early in the year ?

Once i get the ride i n my hands i plan on doing some "digging" to find the OG color. If its on the lid I think i will keep it on the vert. you never know.
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1963 Original Anthracite L469 vert.

1963 Ragtop (stolen years ago) low life fuckers !

Helfen · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject:

Remember guys, the standard (1200A and Canadian customs) use the old style Lic. plate light at least past 1966. A FYI all production after Aug. 64 went to push button release even with the old style lamp on standards & customs.

Don

DrDarby · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject:

Not quite correct. On the '63 - early '64 lid with the small license lamp the "pressing" above the lamp housing that is basically the remains of the earlier "W" lid still has "wings" on either side of the license lamp as the pressing faded away into the actual lid surface. When the change came in late fall of '63 for '64 cars the lamp got wider and the "wings" disappeared and the pressing faded away above the lamp housing.

You can ass an early lamp housing to the later '64 lid but f you have an early lid and add the wider lamp housing it will fit oddly over the wings.
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glutamodo · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that's what was meant by this note in the Bentley:

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However I 've always kind of wondered about the data in that Note, The chassis numbers given are September, but then it says July 1963. Does that mean they changed the decklid stamping a few months before they actually started putting the wider housing on there?
-Andy

DrDarby · Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject:

I guess we need to track down an early unadultrated '64 to find out for sure! All of my '64s have always been post November cars.
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jaxvert · Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject:

I will be picking up my project next saturday. i worte the owner for the Vin # this is his email response to me below.
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Dave,

Looks like that number ("Fahrgest Nr." or chassis number) is 5504145. If that doesn't bring up appropriate results, you might try a 3 or an 8 at the third digit. That was the least legible digit.

Enjoyed meeting you and our discussions yesterday. Look forward to seeing you again, and to seeing the convert when you have put a little (or a lot) of heart and soul into it...

Merry Christmas to you and yours,
Ron

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Man, this is getting interesting!

Its like when i bought a 1934 pre war national match colt 1911 from my friends granny, come to find out less than a 100 were made !

I hope i find out its supposed to be on the car. wide rear plate with narrow front blinkers ....OG...... way cool !
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1963 Original Anthracite L469 vert.

1963 Ragtop (stolen years ago) low life fuckers !

jaxvert · Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject:

So, is it at all possible to have a '63 vert, with a larger plate light housing and tee handle, that's what on this car ?

Dave
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1963 Original Anthracite L469 vert.

1963 Ragtop (stolen years ago) low life fuckers !

jaxvert · Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject:

I found another 6'3 vert in the samba with a wide palte light.Take a look

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/407813.jpg
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1963 Original Anthracite L469 vert.

1963 Ragtop (stolen years ago) low life fuckers !

AlteWagen · Troll Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8503 Location: PNW

I have an original early September 63 (vin 5766xxx) with the later "64 only" decklid stamping without body line "wings" with the earlier 63 nose cone. There is no evidence of holes for the larger housing and only has a round hole for the wire compared to the half moon opening of the 63 and earlier lids. It also has peanut style turn signals as well. The title states sold in 63 model year 64.

according to the bently reference above, late September was the change to the later larger housing. Looks like the verts got it a litter earlier in September.


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