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sneal1956
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 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: Bonnets / Hoods |
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Do the bonnets change between the oval and the first big windows? or are the big window bonnets the same as the 61 - 63?
Also if anyone could show me a correct bonnet handle for a 56 I would appreciate it.
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valentinesr
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I believe there are more differences than just the ribs in the photo that I have posted..It does have:
4 Tab Slots
Hood Badge Slots
Ribs on each side of the lower corners of the hood..
I dont know about the third bolt for the hood prop..
1956 Hood Bonnet
1958 Hood Bonnet (Notice the changes again in the lower corner)
Early Hood Bonnet (Notice Difference)
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splitjunkie
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| valentinesr wrote: |
1958 and later Hood Bonnet
1957 and earlier Hood Bonnet (Notice the changes again in the lower corner)
1957 and early Hood Bonnet (Notice Difference)
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You had your descriptions wrong. I have corrected them.
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sneal1956
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the replies. So does this mean that the only difference between a 57 - 61 and a 61 - 63 bonnet is that the later has a 3 pin VW badge instead of the earlier 4 slot one? |
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Suboval
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| sneal1956 wrote: |
| Thanks for the replies. So does this mean that the only difference between a 57 - 61 and a 61 - 63 bonnet is that the later has a 3 pin VW badge instead of the earlier 4 slot one? |
58-60: 4 tab VW emblem and the single wide pressing for the hinges.
61- early 63: 3 pin badge and the single wide pressing for the hinges.
late 63 - 66: 3 pin VW emblem on a plinth (raised circle) and the single wide pressing for the hinges.
67 and later: I dunno 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| sneal1956 wrote: |
| Thanks for the replies. So does this mean that the only difference between a 57 - 61 and a 61 - 63 bonnet is that the later has a 3 pin VW badge instead of the earlier 4 slot one? |
Yes!
This is 58-60.
56-57 Hood with only 4 bolts.
This is 55 hood only (7 months between January-July). Its just like 56-57 hood but with 5 bolts and no triangle.
Late 53 to the end of 54 Hood is just like the 55 but with the triangle.
Mid 53 and split Hood is just like the 54 hood but with 7 bolts.
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sneal1956
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Fantastic. cheers.
So from this I have worked out that the bonnet I was thinking of buying isnt correct as its a 55 bonnet with the 4 tab and 5 bolt holes.
I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)
and that the bonnet currently on my car is definately a 61 - 63.
My search continues then....
(oh and I never knew about the triangle for the earlies!) |
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FRK
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| sneal1956 wrote: |
I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)
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Well, that's why I typed 4 bolts. '56-'57 is definally 4 bolts.
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kidvintage
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| Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration?? |
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valentinesr
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| FRK wrote: |
| sneal1956 wrote: |
I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)
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Well, that's why I typed 4 bolts. '56-'57 is definally 4 bolts. |
Frank,
I think he was talking about the hood that I have. You listed it as 56-57 4 Bolt, but theres 5 Bolts..
*Which I will be selling, cause I need a correct hood.
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sneal1956
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| Ah thanks for all your help in clarifying (its good to know I wasnt going mad...) |
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FRK
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| valentinesr wrote: |
| FRK wrote: |
| sneal1956 wrote: |
I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)
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Well, that's why I typed 4 bolts. '56-'57 is definally 4 bolts. |
Frank,
I think he was talking about the hood that I have. You listed it as 56-57 4 Bolt, but theres 5 Bolts..
*Which I will be selling, cause I need a correct hood. |
yeah, I know! That's why I make sure I type 4 bolts for '56-'57. 
When are you coming back to LA?
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ericktheelectrician
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| kidvintage wrote: |
| Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration?? |
61 had a 3 tab raised emblem as well as late 60 mid 1960 is when they discontinued using the 4 tab hood
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OvalinAz
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| kidvintage wrote: |
| Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration?? |
61 had a 3 tab raised emblem as well as late 60 mid 1960 is when they discontinued using the 4 tab hood |
nope. in 61 or late 60(i think) there was a 3 tab non-raised emblem, i got one on my oval.
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ericktheelectrician
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| ericktheelectrician wrote: |
| kidvintage wrote: |
| Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration?? |
61 had a 3 tab raised emblem as well as late 60 mid 1960 is when they discontinued using the 4 tab hood |
nope. in 61 or late 60(i think) there was a 3 tab non-raised emblem, i got one on my oval. |
either way 4 tabs stopped in early 60 also splits had 3 tab ,7 bolt , hood crest bonnets not to be confused with the later 3 tab hoods with only 4 bolts and no hood crest slits
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ericktheelectrician
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| either way 4 tabs stopped in early 60 also splits had 3 tab ,7 bolt , hood crest bonnets not to be confused with the later 3 tab hoods with only 4 bolts and no hood crest slits |
No they did not stop in early 60. my 61 has the original hood and it is a 4 tab hood.
FYI
check this thread out it gives the chassis number that they stopped the 4 tab hood.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=250199&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
I stand corrected the first 3 months of the 61 production year (end of 1960) did use the 4 tab hood I was confusing the change in the front apron early 60's were a 4 finger front apron and mid 60 started the use of the 3 finger front apron
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Birdman69
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I have a 4 tab which has been dented in the top corner.
A friend has told me these bonnents have a shallower pressing than later bonnets???
I only need to replace the top corner of the skin (not the braces where the hinges mount) but i dont want to source and destroy another 4 tab if I dont need to??? |
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