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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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campingbox wrote: |
I usually squirt some spray lube in there and uncrimp them with some pliers.....squeezing and turning to remove it. Cut the cable to size, reshape the end and install it. Recrimp it with some pliers. It's a piece of cake. |
i will bring one to havasu. please demonstrate. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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hazetguy wrote: |
campingbox wrote: |
I usually squirt some spray lube in there and uncrimp them with some pliers.....squeezing and turning to remove it. Cut the cable to size, reshape the end and install it. Recrimp it with some pliers. It's a piece of cake. |
i will bring one to havasu. please demonstrate. |
I'll stop by your place on my way South. |
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arthurnugen Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 3081 Location: The PNW, where "going green" means rolling with moss.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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I also used a piece of fuel line. Did not know there was an actual tube for that. I am glad I put one on there, as the cable was already starting to saw into the case.
By the way, your freshly painted bus looks great! _________________
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ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
1965 Bus (Riviera camper)
1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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Stanagon Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2003 Posts: 4186 Location: Boston, MA
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Major Woody Samba Enigma
Joined: December 04, 2002 Posts: 9010 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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arthurnugen wrote: |
I also used a piece of fuel line. Did not know there was an actual tube for that. I am glad I put one on there, as the cable was already starting to saw into the case.
By the way, your freshly painted bus looks great! |
Thank you. I need to take a few more pictures, especially of the long wall. It did turn out nice. Now every single chip and scuff in the original paint interior stands out like a sore thumb. I will touch it up.
I have gotten a couple pms from people who had late split buses who also had the plastic tube, not the bowden tube kind with metal ends. So I guess VW either used both types or moved from one type to the other. I would think that anything which protects the cable and the trans would work correctly in this application. |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have both plastic and metal sheaths: same principal. The first 400k miles my tranny had no loop or sheath and eventually carved a slot into the innards. Being scared on my next case I got the loop off my '57 for the '65.
During the last 300k miles I found an og one on a '65 and added it but tywrapped it to the loop. I know it's not supposed to be used together but the tyewraps keep it from coming off when I pull the engine and from sagging.
I like the metal ferrule type as they are like a fighter jet mid-air refueling reciever thing and they self guide onto the accelerator pipe at the shroud.
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9789 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the photos.
Hey, is your clutch arm mounted wrong-way round?
Looks like the oblong area for the self locking adjuster wingnut is facing frontwards. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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incynr8 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2003 Posts: 822 Location: Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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with how annoying it is to change that arm and the dammed spring!!!!
Ugh I hate doing that repair. (trans throwout arm bushing/spring/c-clips, etc) grrrr. _________________ ..........
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arthurnugen Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 3081 Location: The PNW, where "going green" means rolling with moss.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Is the engine bolt backwards as well? I see a half moon shape. That one's always a bear to get to. Is it easier to have the not on the engine side? _________________
cdennisg wrote: |
Lawyers don't deserve buses. |
zozo wrote: |
Don't worry too much. You can always trust a lawyer. |
ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
1965 Bus (Riviera camper)
1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
1957 DKW 3=6: 3 cylinder 2 stroke! |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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j.pickens:
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Hey, is your clutch arm mounted wrong-way round?
Looks like the oblong area for the self locking adjuster wingnut is facing frontwards |
bill may:
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yes it is backwards. |
Dang, I feel a huge argument coming on and I just got over the flu; no, it's not on backwards. The other side has the detents, also, for the adjuster. The larger of the chamfered sides goes facing the bowden so the threaded rod has ample clearance for alignment when swinging. The smaller chamfer side allows less fulrum surface for a frictionless pivot. Both are necessary for long cable life.
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Is the engine bolt backwards as well? I see a half moon shape. That one's always a bear to get to. Is it easier to have the not on the engine side? |
That's the way I do that one. Tape it to the bell housing, push in the engine carefully, gently thread on the nut and bing-bang-boom. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9789 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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BarryL wrote: |
Dang, I feel a huge argument coming on and I just got over the flu; no, it's not on backwards. The other side has the detents, also, for the adjuster. The larger of the chamfered sides goes facing the bowden so the threaded rod has ample clearance for alignment when swinging. The smaller chamfer side allows less fulrum surface for a frictionless pivot. Both are necessary for long cable life. |
No argument here. I was just asking. Your excellent photo allowed me to see that piece clearer than I can see it in my bus whilst installed. My Bentley mentions the "newfangled" auto locking wingnut, but only has photos of the old style jam nut design. Of course, the tranny in my bus is newer, so I'm out of luck, diagram-wise. Anyone wanna confirm the two-sided nature of this arm so I'll know when I have to put my next tranny in? (Just ordered a '67 bus tranny from Ronnie at Oldvolks).
Thanks,
J. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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i wish more people would actually drive their vws rather than just talking about what they have in the garage. |
Red Fau Veh wrote: |
If you've seen one sunroof swivel seat kombi, you've seen them all! |
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incynr8 Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2003 Posts: 822 Location: Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Barry is correct, the 'later' part has chamfers on both sides. The early ones kinda sweep inward, the newer ones swing kinda outward. My 66 and 67s had the arrangement like BarryL's pic, and the 59 has the arm sweeping in with jam nuts.
I was just venting how much I hate changing that part! _________________ ..........
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I'll confess I was starting a s*%t storm. It is on backwards but that is how I run those. The jam nut style need the clearance on the bowden tube side and the later ones (wingnut) work better with the same clearance area. the return spring lasts longer for me with it backwards also (something about less binding). The thing is that the wingnuts are not as perfect as in the og days. Most of them jam in the chamfer, even with grease, and bend the threaded rod a scosch each depress. I always file the wingnut smooth and look for the least surface area contact hence the reversed arm. There are about 3 wingnuts, I've found, but the best are the VW drop forged ones that ring when dropped on cement.
I've flipped the arm in situ before and it can be done but is delicado getting the external snapring back on. Make a coat hanger looong hook to pull the spring back.
The way to tell if you got the lever on the official correct way is the spring keeper land goes toward the bell housing. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9789 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, BarryL, make it difficult, why doncha'?
Thanks for the clarification.
I agree that the replacement wingnuts, and even OG worn ones work like crap. I have been known to put a jam nut on the locking wingnut when they wear out. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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BeaterBarndoor wrote: |
i wish more people would actually drive their vws rather than just talking about what they have in the garage. |
Red Fau Veh wrote: |
If you've seen one sunroof swivel seat kombi, you've seen them all! |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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If you live near a marine supply store there's a black plastic tubing used for throttles and shifters on yachts that is perfect for the cable sleeve. It's made by Hynautics and West Marine, among others sells it. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9789 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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BarryL wrote: |
If you live near a marine supply store there's a black plastic tubing used for throttles and shifters on yachts that is perfect for the cable sleeve. It's made by Hynautics and West Marine, among others sells it. |
That sounds like the best idea yet. Probably designed with resistance to wear through, unlike regular plastic tubing. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
BBX BBXII and BBXXI Long Distance Award Winner
BeaterBarndoor wrote: |
i wish more people would actually drive their vws rather than just talking about what they have in the garage. |
Red Fau Veh wrote: |
If you've seen one sunroof swivel seat kombi, you've seen them all! |
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elise111 Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2005 Posts: 106 Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't find the bus version of this bowden tube, and the good idea of the marine throttle tubing at West Marine was a dead end at two different stores that I tried. I was reluctant to use old rubber fuel line since I figured rubber would increase friction on the cable. Maybe those Toyota reports of sticking throttles got to me.
So, I gave the beetle version (131 721 551) a try and instead of being too short, it was too long! I trimmed mine from 610mm to 585mm and it fits well.
This part is about $10 at IPC / JBugs. |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting that measurement. Since my last blabber-mouthing I've found that those Beetle ones are now re-available, too. I wriggle off the forward ferrule, cut the cable, file the burr, trim the vinyl, and re-wriggle the ferule back on. They work great.
Found this, although the stuff is still around in the stores I frequent:
"The manufacturer (Teleflex) is discontinuing all the Hynautic steering systems and replacing them with the SeaStar line of hydraulic steering systems. There are still many units available and of course we will be repairing and rebuilding units for many years to come."
The Hynautic tubing is about the same as 1/4" opaque or black water line as in icemaker/refridgerator. |
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GDOG57 Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2006 Posts: 1065 Location: Gilbert,Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Maybe you are looking for this,no picture,but a part number:
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211129891 _________________ '57 oval window deluxe,Agave green(L240) 2276cc w/51.5 IDA's
'57 type 2 panel ( L31 dove blue) project daily driver,Singleport 1955cc
'69 Squareback (L30A Royal Red) |
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