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Standard Split
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 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Albert Klein's record Beetle |
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It's true your car is still around. Get back to us when you surpass Albert Klein's record. |
I guess I could drive round and round the London orbital (M25) every evening like Mr Kleine confessed to doing round his local ring road just to add the miles  |
Miles are miles. Your suggestion that he "cheated" doesn't wash.
Admit it, your car is SECOND. And it will likely NEVER be first.  |
There's the slight detail in that Klein's car doesn't exist, but Rattletrap does.
Anyway, I'll let Rattletrap to do the talking… 
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Bruce
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Albert Klein's record Beetle |
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| Standard Split wrote: |
| Bruce wrote: |
| Standard Split wrote: |
| Bruce wrote: |
It's true your car is still around. Get back to us when you surpass Albert Klein's record. |
I guess I could drive round and round the London orbital (M25) every evening like Mr Kleine confessed to doing round his local ring road just to add the miles |
Miles are miles. Your suggestion that he "cheated" doesn't wash.
Admit it, your car is SECOND. And it will likely NEVER be first. |
There's the slight detail in that Klein's car doesn't exist, but Rattletrap does. |
Doesn't mean his record is invalid. Until your car reaches his mark, it's still second rate.
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beetlejooz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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SO WHERE IS THE BLOODY CAR THEN ?
Is it in a museum, do we know? |
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Standard Split
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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SO WHERE IS THE BLOODY CAR THEN ?
Is it in a museum, do we know? |
Exactly - where is it? Well I can tell you where, like I've said before, its probably living on in other cars, washing machines and any other thing made with sheet metal. This car has been scrapped
If it was so special with 2 million kilometers to its credit against Rattletrap's 'mere' 1,420,000 KMs (and that would be special), it would have been saved, even after a massive smash.
Rattletrap had one hell of a smash from a MAC truck in the States and every effort was made throughout England and beyond to save the car including bringing the wreck back to the UK for rebuild 
If Klein's car does not exist that makes Rattletrap the champion simply because he does
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Bruce
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| If Klein's car does not exist that makes Rattletrap the champion simply because he does |
Keep dreaming, you're living in your own world. Everyone else recognizes Albert's car as the # 1 world champion VW.
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Standard Split
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Keep dreaming, you're living in your own world. Everyone else recognizes Albert's car as the # 1 world champion VW. |
Everyone being you and a handful of others
The fact is I can show Rattletrap to the world with most of his history which began to be publicised in newspapers and magazines as far back as the 1960's
Klein's car has covieniently vanished which to me casts a doubt on its credibility as such a record car would not knowingly be scrapped.
Rattletrap is certainly the world record existing Beetle, and to my mind the world record Beetle period because I doubt the claim laid on Klein's '63, if not least because it does seem to no longer exist |
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
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just because the car "doesn't exist" doesn't mean it doesn't hold the record. in the same train of thought you are also saying that any sports record doesn't hold validity if the person who set it is dead, or that any auto record doesn't stand if the car has been destroyed or lost over time.
gimme a break. |
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VWAdam
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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just because the car "doesn't exist" doesn't mean it doesn't hold the record. in the same train of thought you are also saying that any sports record doesn't hold validity if the person who set it is dead, or that any auto record doesn't stand if the car has been destroyed or lost over time.
gimme a break. |
Plus, that guy would be pretty old now, quite possibly dead. Just because it was a big deal to him and some car people, most people have no idea about the car. To most it would have been a beat up, wrecked clapped out
old Volkswagen best suited for the scrapyard.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
Keep dreaming, you're living in your own world. Everyone else recognizes Albert's car as the # 1 world champion VW. |
Everyone being you and a handful of others |
That's more than believe your car is king. You are all ALONE in your fantasy.
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train99
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You guys crack me up. The original poster asks if anyone knows what has happened to Klein's car.
No one knows, so he starts claiming the car was scrapped.
I met a guy once who was fond of quoting himself in arguments. Same thing will happen here.
Thanks for the laughs.
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Standard Split
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:09 am Post subject: |
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You guys crack me up. The original poster asks if anyone knows what has happened to Klein's car.
No one knows, so he starts claiming the car was scrapped.
I met a guy once who was fond of quoting himself in arguments. Same thing will happen here.
Thanks for the laughs. |
You've never met me 
Rattletrap's original owner Tony Levy passed away years ago, it was he who created this world record Volkswagen. I am lucky enough to be Rattletrap's new owner and carer
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Plus, that guy would be pretty old now, quite possibly dead. Just because it was a big deal to him and some car people, most people have no idea about the car. To most it would have been a beat up, wrecked clapped out
old Volkswagen best suited for the scrapyard. |
That would be a shame. In England we were well aware of our record VW that has now become a world-wide motoring legend and part of our heritage, and have looked after it. If Klein's car is (was) authentic, you guys in the States had a nice piece of motoring history and let it slip through your fingers.
I'd say it would be worth someone's effort in finding Klein's car IF it exists. It would be a very valuable museum item if authentic.
Rattletrap is the world record existing Beetle, and assuming that is that Klein's car had actually covered more miles, and there’s no car or documents around to verify this, otherwise Rattletrap is the world champion outright.  |
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williamblanda
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You are strange. Until your car reaches two million miles, or whatever was set by Klein, you have nothing in the form of a record.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. |
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Standard Split
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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You are strange. Until your car reaches two million miles, or whatever was set by Klein, you have nothing in the form of a record.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. |
Again repeated: Rattletrap is the world record existing Beetle. Even if Klein's car's mileage was correct, at some stage Rattletrap was well ahead with a record mileage before Mr Kleine began driving round-and-round his local ring road to catch up.
Someone needs to find Klein's car…… but they won't 'cos its a gonna, records proof and all, like it never happened
Also I repeat, it would be worth someone's effort in finding Klein's car IF it exists. It would be a very valuable museum item if authentic, but you can't find something that no longer exists |
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KTPhil 
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I should have brought my boots before wading into this thread, with its lies questining Klein's record Bug.  |
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Thanatos
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| If somebody finds Albert Klein's bug and the pan, engine and transmission are repairable, I think I know of at least one Bradley GT body for it. |
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Bruce
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ...Rattletrap is the world record .... |
Your car has NEVER been the world record car.
The biggest joke is Tony Levy's fraudlent mileage record keeping. Anyone who looks carefully at the details of the car will know that the mileage records start a full TWO years before the car was made!
Just for the info of anyone reading this, Tony Levy's Rattletrap is a zwitter, yet the mileage records start in 1950!
And, on top of that, we'll have to deduct the first 5 years of mileage since the car had a chassis swap sometime after 1955!
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Standard Split
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| ...Rattletrap is the world record .... |
Your car has NEVER been the world record car.
The biggest joke is Tony Levy's fraudlent mileage record keeping. Anyone who looks carefully at the details of the car will know that the mileage records start a full TWO years before the car was made!
Just for the info of anyone reading this, Tony Levy's Rattletrap is a zwitter, yet the mileage records start in 1950!
And, on top of that, we'll have to deduct the first 5 years of mileage since the car had a chassis swap sometime after 1955! |
In the absence of Klein's car, Rattletrap is STILL a record car 
Rattletrap is a 1950 – it's been well debated and argued for and against on the English site:
http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16378
You will not see all images unless you are logged in though
I don't plan on going through all the ins and outs again here. I merely wanted to establish the whereabouts of Klein's car and see evidence of its mileage. You seem to think Mr Levy was capable of falsifying his records whereas Mr Klein could not have possibly done so 
It seems to be the case that Klein's car was nothing special and has been scrapped. |
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williamblanda
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| You didn't come here to find the whereabouts of Klein's car, you came to brag. |
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Standard Split
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| You didn't come here to find the whereabouts of Klein's car, you came to brag. |
I DID come here to find the whereabouts of Mr Klein's car
If you troubled to visit the pre67vw site address as above, you would see that Mr Klein's car has been a debate within the Rattletrap thread earlier on. I just want to find out for real about this car – is that so wrong that I want to establish Rattletrap's standing
Owning Rattletrap was a dream for me since I first saw it in 1977. I feel a little honoured to now have the car all these years later. How can I brag – its all down to Tony Levy's efforts not mine |
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williamblanda
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I DID visit the pre67 site, and there's also some debate about the authenticity of Rattletrap.
Rattletrap's been rebuilt, recycled and transformed into something totally different from it's original form. What did Levy say? Oh yeah, everything has been replaced expect for the knob on the dash...
With a car having so much replaced, the original version of the vehicle is probably living in some washing machine or Honda. Just like Klein's bug, it was reused and recycled into something new.
You have a car with some amazing history behind it, just not a record. I'm out.
If my posts came off as offensive, I apologize. Just trying to engage in a nice little conversation! |
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