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Belladonna30c Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2008 Posts: 206 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: Window Shades Project |
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Someone out there has probably already done this, and I think there is a company who will make these custom for you. However this is a SIMPLE DIY project.
Mr. Belladonna30C and I are a bit heat sensitive, so on our last camping trip during an unexpected heat wave with no shade on our van, I dreamed up some side-window shades for the van.
Since I'm not interested in window tinting which I know is an alternate solution, and since I am not interested in the attractive, but expensive, sun shades offered through GoWesty: http://gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=4179&category_id=&category_parent_id= I came up with this:
Materials used:
1. Three packages of foil-covered bubble-wrap-type sun shades (get the cheapest and largest versions from your local DISCOUNT store)
2. blue painter's tape
3. duct tape
4. three packages of extra strong magnets
5. scissors
6. old roll of extra-wide Christmas wrapping paper to make a pattern for each window, and
7. a fat Sharpie marker
A few pointers:
1. I use a standard shade for the windshield. No cutting needed.
2. The shade made for the hatch window can be held in place by the curtain rail. No magnets needed for this shade.
3. If you place the pattern you create carefully on the window shade, you can retain a couple of the factory finished edges.
4. Finish the cut edges with duct tape.
5. Also, if the window shades come with a velcro strap, retain that as well in an uncut edge, so that you can easily store your covers.
6. I only made one set of side window shades to use on the South side of the van. That's all you really need!
7. When making the hatch window pattern, I needed to tape up my paper on the outside. ...the curtains get in the way, and I wasn't about to take them down.
8. For the side windows, tape your pattern paper on the inside for best results.
9. use duct tape to make tabs to fold over and attach the magnets to shades.
10. Three magnet tabs on tops. One on each side. 2-3 on the bottoms.
11. Oh yeah, using a bit of scrap material, I made a shade for the pop-top window. Mine just sort of fits in place over the screen and behind the plastic knob housing, but you could incorporate some velcro for a sure stay. (Incidentally, this shade got the hottest of them all in the summer sun)
12. If you own a brown Vanagon, it will look like a baked potato. _________________ 1986 Weekender, automatic, 2nd owner
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ddonnell Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2007 Posts: 373 Location: Sunset Beach
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Did you just make little flaps out of duct tape with the magnets inside to hold the shade?
Edit: For got to say looks good btw! Have you tried putting the shades on parking in a spot for an hr then taking the shades off to see the different temps? It would be interesting to see the difference.. _________________ 1990 Vanagon Carat-SOLD
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Belladonna30c Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2008 Posts: 206 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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ddonnell wrote: |
Did you just make little flaps out of duct tape with the magnets inside to hold the shade?
Edit: For got to say looks good btw! Have you tried putting the shades on parking in a spot for an hr then taking the shades off to see the different temps? It would be interesting to see the difference.. |
Hi, DDonnell. Thank you.
Yes. I made the magnet flaps out of duct tape. No, I have not yet tested the temperature to see how much of a difference the shades make. When I do, i will post the results. _________________ 1986 Weekender, automatic, 2nd owner
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Good idea and job well done. _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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PDXWesty Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6244 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure I have seen these available commercially somewhere. Either in the classifieds or from a vendor. Im just not sure where though. Anyway, curious as to how they work after you use them. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Saguache Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2009 Posts: 360 Location: Gunnison, CO
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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That's great! I'm doing the same thing for the same reason. I noticed that you're using old wrapping paper to make your templates. Guess what I'm going to do? _________________ Matt Thyer
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buildyourown Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2009 Posts: 1668 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I did these for my truck and plan in doing them for my van. They are also really nice if you are parked/camped in a place with street lights. They block out ALL the light, unlike the curtains or tint.
I like you magnet trick. I might shy away from duct tape though. It tends to leach adhesive. Sewing a loop out of cloth would work well. I edged my previous version with cloth and a sewing machine and it held up well. |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10248 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Just did this on my LandCruiser a couple months ago. My daughter and I drove to pick up our first Vanagon and she wanted to sleep in the Cruiser enroute. What I did was pick up a roll at Home Depot - the larger of their two rolls had JUST enough to do the entire LandCruiser including the windshield with fitted pieces. With all windows covered you can sleep as noted during the day or in lighted areas at night such as truck stops/ rest areas. Using a generic on the windshield let in way too much light so put fitted on all windows.
Anyhow, I used small suction cups also at Home Depot in their little bits and pieces drawers and in the same drawers little retaining pins (look like bobby pins but larger opening). I slit the film (has a tough inner layer), jammed the backing knob on the suction cup through, then used a retaining pin/clip to ensure it stays. To put them on the window, just jam them on and it's cooler for sleeping and nice and dark. Write which window it fits with the sharpie so you can quickly match the shade to where it belongs after a long drive...
I roll mine up together and hold the nearly 12" diameter roll together with a bungie cord. Will be doing the same to the Vanagon once it's rolling.
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Sir Sam Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2009 Posts: 1685 Location: Fort Collins Colorado!
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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This bubble aluminum foil stuff is awesome for keeping radiation in or out. Used it around in my hot tub to help insulate it, made a noticable difference in the bill.
That stuff is great and I've used it before in my jeep windows. Its a great thing to put up behind the window thats partially covered by the rear cabinet. _________________ '91 Carat Westy
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7916 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: |
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That is indeed a great idea! I did the same thing with my black (inside and out) Jetta, but I bought a roll of the stuff at Home Depot and was able to simply press it into the window frames.
For the van, I bought a regular shade for the windshield, but wanted something more decorative, compact and light-blocking for the other windows. I made covers for all of them using a thermal, blackout material on the glass side:
They're all attached with hidden, sewn-in magnets.
I was in the van the other day when it was 107° outside; in the van it was 121° (van was not in the shade). Without the covers I'm sure it would've been quite a bit hotter. As is said in Phoenix though, anything above 100° is all the same: hot!
What really needs to be done is to add insulation to that fiberglass roof! _________________ ~Kamz
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SpudlyHotPotato Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2010 Posts: 150 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Kamzcab86 - I'm in Phoenix too, and I've been thinking about how to insulate the fiberglass roof. I wonder if insulation works when applied to the inside, or if it only will work to reflect the heat out if it's on the outside.
Maybe roll out a piece of the reflective sunshade material from Home Depot and attach velcro strips to it, and maybe some velcro strips on the fiberglass roof? Even on the outside ... I feel like I've heard of this before. I'm definitely interested in seeing how that would work. Just velcro it onto the top of the roof once you get where you're going.
Belladonna30c: I was wondering what stores you find the super strong magnets from? I know rare earth magnets work too but so far I've only found them online.
And YES, you're right about the brown vans looking like a baked potato. Sitting inside one in a Phoenix driveway also feels like you're inside a baked potato. Hence my name SpudlyHotPotato.
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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What about making one a little longer and a little wider and putting gromets on (6) and then light lanyards with S's to hook onto bottom or any place else you care to. I'd advise against Velcro due to any use of adhesive in that kind of heat. p.s. I've seen plastic S's also. _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9798 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Was once in a site next to another VW Camper with a proclivity for the windscreen shades...
Claimed it was quite effective (against the cold as this was early Spring). As I recall she had purchased the Bug new and was in it full-time. A hardy soul. |
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Belladonna30c Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2008 Posts: 206 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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SpudlyHotPotato wrote: |
Kamzcab86 - I'm in Phoenix too, and I've been thinking about how to insulate the fiberglass roof. I wonder if insulation works when applied to the inside, or if it only will work to reflect the heat out if it's on the outside.
Maybe roll out a piece of the reflective sunshade material from Home Depot and attach velcro strips to it, and maybe some velcro strips on the fiberglass roof? Even on the outside ... I feel like I've heard of this before. I'm definitely interested in seeing how that would work. Just velcro it onto the top of the roof once you get where you're going.
Belladonna30c: I was wondering what stores you find the super strong magnets from? I know rare earth magnets work too but so far I've only found them online.
And YES, you're right about the brown vans looking like a baked potato. Sitting inside one in a Phoenix driveway also feels like you're inside a baked potato. Hence my name SpudlyHotPotato.
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Hi Spudly: Just the potato van I had in mind! tee hee What a fun picture. I found the extra strong magnets at my local fabric/crafts store (JoAnn's)...about $3 for a pack of 6. I'm not sure how that price compares to other sources _________________ 1986 Weekender, automatic, 2nd owner
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DAIZEE Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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That bug is hilarious _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10248 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Just a thought on magnets vs suction cups. First, having a few dozen powerful magnets randomly around your vehicle in today's media (phones, MP3 players, digital cameras, LCD screens,etc) crazed world may damage something. Second, and more importantly attaching to metal around the window loses the ability to pin the insulation directly against the window that the suction cup provides. The resulting poor seal allows light into the van and light=heat. I can also pull the insulation nice and tight - pushing the corners tight and again providing a nice tight seal against the glass. Also, the windshield piece simply wouldn't have been possible to anchor with magnets as their isn't metal available to use.
So, I don't want to put too fine a point on it but the suction cups ended up to be a very effective solution to pin the foil bubble insulation against the windows. The LandCruiser also has a sliding window like the Vanagon center window and being able to pull the insulation tight across this "step" made for a nice light proof seal in that challenging area as well. I also found I could open the slider a bit by repositioning the suction cups to pull it tight after opening a crack for ventilation.
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Belladonna30c Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2008 Posts: 206 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: |
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IdahoDoug wrote: |
Just a thought on magnets vs suction cups. First, having a few dozen powerful magnets randomly around your vehicle in today's media (phones, MP3 players, digital cameras, LCD screens,etc) crazed world may damage something. Second, and more importantly attaching to metal around the window loses the ability to pin the insulation directly against the window that the suction cup provides. The resulting poor seal allows light into the van and light=heat. I can also pull the insulation nice and tight - pushing the corners tight and again providing a nice tight seal against the glass. Also, the windshield piece simply wouldn't have been possible to anchor with magnets as their isn't metal available to use.
So, I don't want to put too fine a point on it but the suction cups ended up to be a very effective solution to pin the foil bubble insulation against the windows. The LandCruiser also has a sliding window like the Vanagon center window and being able to pull the insulation tight across this "step" made for a nice light proof seal in that challenging area as well. I also found I could open the slider a bit by repositioning the suction cups to pull it tight after opening a crack for ventilation.
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Excellent point! Thank you for your contributions! Also, I had no idea that you could purchase bubble wrap insulation at Home Depot. I think I need to go stroll the aisles to see what else they have... _________________ 1986 Weekender, automatic, 2nd owner
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VanWilder Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2009 Posts: 1349 Location: PDX-Weird Town, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
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mthyer wrote: |
That's great! I'm doing the same thing for the same reason. I noticed that you're using old wrapping paper to make your templates. Guess what I'm going to do? |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7916 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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SpudlyHotPotato wrote: |
Kamzcab86 - I'm in Phoenix too, and I've been thinking about how to insulate the fiberglass roof. I wonder if insulation works when applied to the inside, or if it only will work to reflect the heat out if it's on the outside. |
Great pic!
As for the insulation, I was thinking of something a bit more permanent... like, installing some sort of insulating headliner on it. But for a temporary solution, Velcro'ing insulation up there would probably work (except, as DAIZEE said, in this heat, unless the Velcro is glued on, it'll just ooze right off). I haven't given it too much thorough thought yet; the ideas really only circulate in the brain every time I wake up sweating at 7am while staring at the sun-exposed roof.
As for strong magnets, JoAnn has some, but they are nothing compared to the SuperStrong magnets sold at Ace Hardware (they may be supplied by Rare Earth 'cuz they look just like them). Although, it depends on the Ace; there are two near me -- one has a variety of sizes, while the other just has a couple. The larger True Value stores should have them as well.
That is a good point about magnets and electronics. If your van is full of little magnets like mine, just be sure to keep your electronic toys away from them to be on the safe side. And remember, the speakers in your vehicles contain magnets as well; and scissors can create a magnetic field too. _________________ ~Kamz
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