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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer your question... yes, it's very important to have the engine bay well sealed. I have purchased and installed the creative car craft conversion tin when I installed a type 1 into a 1972 bus. It was very well made and I had to do very little cutting and fitting. I would highly recommend it to you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary,

I've often wondered how when a Type 1 engine is installed into a later Bay engine compartment like a '72, what needs to be done to fit the heater boxes up with the tubes that supply heat up front and if any mods need to be made with the control cables. How did you do it???
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gary,

I've often wondered how when a Type 1 engine is installed into a later Bay engine compartment like a '72, what needs to be done to fit the heater boxes up with the tubes that supply heat up front and if any mods need to be made with the control cables. How did you do it???


I didn't. I remember considering doing it but I believe heater cables would have to be fabricated. I was thinking about using something from a lawn mower parts place like raw control cable. Since the bus was going to Florida it became a detail I just never addressed. As far as the ducting I'm sure there is something available that would be the right diameter to cut and fit.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my first Bay the engine had been run with the surround tin missing. That engine was filled with thick black layer of burn up oil. My present engine with 230K on the clock is as clean inside as the day it went in and has never had problems with oil leaks or any form of head problems, I have always kept the tin on this engine as tight as I can get it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, 230K miles! That's got to be a record.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have actually seen a couple of OEM T-4 bus engines that got over 300K, one almost 350K, so it can be done.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have one of the tin piece's you need. I have the front one but not the back one it is a factory part. It may be costly to send from Alaska its not heavy just big. PM me if you need it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have the bolt & will put it in tomorrow. I am not sure how the mustache bar was put in,( looks good tho) i will upload pics of it tomorrow when there is light.

Bigbore you have a pm Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey BB,
Haven't seen you around lately. You must be storing acorns for the winter.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey BB,
Haven't seen you around lately. You must be storing acorns for the winter.

Sence my dog dieing and my health problems I have been abit off. My shop is full of work and not real motivated to crank it out. I need to get my 71 in and do a clutch so I can go fishing this weekend and get the hell out of here for a few days. It hasn't snowed yet but it will happen soon Sad way to soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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aeromech wrote:
Hey BB,
Haven't seen you around lately. You must be storing acorns for the winter.

Sence my dog dieing and my health problems I have been abit off. My shop is full of work and not real motivated to crank it out. I need to get my 71 in and do a clutch so I can go fishing this weekend and get the hell out of here for a few days. It hasn't snowed yet but it will happen soon Sad way to soon.


My condolences on the passing of you dog. Hope you feel better soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is sad news! hop in that bus and go for a trip, it makes me feel a little better when times are down!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Installed a fresh 1915 in my wife's 68 bay.....took it for it's 1st test drive minus the rear apron and tin. In just a couple of miles and about 10 minutes the shroud was too hot to touch.
Installed apron, remaining sheet metal and new rubber seal and after an extended tune & test drive I could place the back of my hand against the shroud.
I learned my lesson.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive drove my 74 bus a year with a type 1 motor and no conversion tin i keep a close check on long trips tho no problems so far
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vwbusbusvw wrote:
I have driven approximately 72,000 miles in the last 9 years without engine tin in my '77 bus. I have the full array of gauges showing temperatures and pressures. All of them have read normal. The engine has not been rebuilt in this time; the only work done was basic tune ups. I believe removing the tin saves a substantial amount of weight, and actually results in better performance and gas mileage. I have the logs to prove it!

I would not hesitate to drive across country in ANY bus with ANY engine without engine tin.

Engine tin - the greatest scam Volkswagen ever thought of.

I'm taking my tin off right now! Damn heavy engine tin! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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vwbusbusvw wrote:
I have driven approximately 72,000 miles in the last 9 years without engine tin in my '77 bus. I have the full array of gauges showing temperatures and pressures. All of them have read normal. The engine has not been rebuilt in this time; the only work done was basic tune ups. I believe removing the tin saves a substantial amount of weight, and actually results in better performance and gas mileage. I have the logs to prove it!

I would not hesitate to drive across country in ANY bus with ANY engine without engine tin.

Engine tin - the greatest scam Volkswagen ever thought of.

I'm taking my tin off right now! Damn heavy engine tin! Laughing


Without all that air restricting tin you won't need that silly fan any more either!















Kidding! Don't anyone do that and blame me.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Without all that air restricting tin you won't need that silly fan any more either!


I went to look at a T4 powered van one day that ended up being missing all the engine tin. The seller claimed that it didn't overheat that way. Guess his experience proves your point. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha Shocked



Jodi, my heater pipes have been blocked off, and my main heat shaft is non exsitent due to being a true FL bus, the PO put J pipes on mine. which means when i decided to go up into the snow i need to fix up a new way to get heat... maybe mr heater Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This has been a crazy topic Laughing . Of the hundreds of prior topics about engines running bad, overheating, or self destruction, the first replies are always about the importance of all the tins and seals. If engine compartment sealing isn't an issue the Samba might dry up.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So true!! My bus has been parked for over a year because every time it rains, my bus leaves me stranded somewhere. As far as I can tell, I have all my tin, and my seal, but still, water is messing things up in a bad way.

wampe wrote:
Engine tin keeps water out of the engine compartment on rainy days. Water+electrical components=trouble. Red Bay Bus

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