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Bobnotch
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So i got off work early today so i had some light to do some checking. I hooked up my tach dwell meter and found the dwell to be 56* and when i checked timing it was at 31* at IDLE! WTF, its supposed to be 31* at 3000 rpm or full advance right?? So tomorow im gonna re set dwell and timing and see what that does. So unless im checking timing wrong i think that could help. To set timing i turn the dial on my gun to 31 and line up to top dead center on my pulley, right? I dont want to re set it to find out the shop had it right and i just dont know how to use my gun  . I wasnt able to check my fuel pressure because my gauge doesnt go that low  . So would having timing at 31* at idle be to advanced, or retarded?
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Set the dwell first. Try to get it at or just under 50 if you can. Then set the timing. You're on the right track, but I prefer to use 30 for total advance at 3000 rpm. Set you gun like you mentioned, make sure you've got the TDC line for timing (most have several lines starting at 5btdc, and then moving past tdc to atdc), then rev the engine to 3000 rpms, and shoot the gun at the mark. You should see it, if not, you'll have to reset the distributor (either twisting left or right) until you do see the TDC line. Once you have that, lock the dist down, and let the idle timing fall to where it will. Note, you can dial your timing light down to see what you have at idle, once the engine is idling. This will just give you an idea of how advanced the 009 is at idle.
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raygreenwood
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One thing I do notice, is that you have the wrong points in both of those distributors.
Also, make sure that the mechanical advance is working properly.
If you want, send me your distributor, and I will trade for a rebuilt plus $ for a good distributor.
Right now, due to health problems, I am getting a little behind in my work. |
Russ.....are you not drinking enough? I can send you a bottle of single barrel whiskey if it helps.....hope you feel better...  |
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Russ Wolfe
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I wish that was what I needed.
But part of the problem is I do not have the kidneys anymore to handle it.
Radiation Therapy sucks.
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RyanRodman
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So i got off work early today so i had some light to do some checking. I hooked up my tach dwell meter and found the dwell to be 56* and when i checked timing it was at 31* at IDLE! WTF, its supposed to be 31* at 3000 rpm or full advance right?? So tomorow im gonna re set dwell and timing and see what that does. So unless im checking timing wrong i think that could help. To set timing i turn the dial on my gun to 31 and line up to top dead center on my pulley, right? I dont want to re set it to find out the shop had it right and i just dont know how to use my gun . I wasnt able to check my fuel pressure because my gauge doesnt go that low . So would having timing at 31* at idle be to advanced, or retarded?
Thanks for any input! |
Set the dwell first. Try to get it at or just under 50 if you can. Then set the timing. You're on the right track, but I prefer to use 30 for total advance at 3000 rpm. Set you gun like you mentioned, make sure you've got the TDC line for timing (most have several lines starting at 5btdc, and then moving past tdc to atdc), then rev the engine to 3000 rpms, and shoot the gun at the mark. You should see it, if not, you'll have to reset the distributor (either twisting left or right) until you do see the TDC line. Once you have that, lock the dist down, and let the idle timing fall to where it will. Note, you can dial your timing light down to see what you have at idle, once the engine is idling. This will just give you an idea of how advanced the 009 is at idle. |
I just re ser dwell and timing! i got dwell set at 45* and timing at 30* at 3000 rpm which was 9* at idle. Took it for a test drive and seemed fine on power and almost seemed smoother. The real test i guess will be trying to start it after a hot run. |
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Mike Fisher
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Won't start after a Hot run was vapor lock of the mechanical fuel pump on my stock 67 square @ Rest Stops in CA! I thought about putting an electric fuel pump on it to cure the problem, but never did.
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RyanRodman
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| Won't start after a Hot run was vapor lock of the mechanical fuel pump on my stock 67 square @ Rest Stops in CA! I thought about putting an electric fuel pump on it to cure the problem, but never did. |
I have an electric pump and it seems like 75% of the time when i go to start it when warm it just sits and primes with ignition on, like its loosing fuel pressure or something as it sits. When i start it cold in the morning it doesnt prime and it starts right up instantly every time. |
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Mike Fisher
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Maybe your forcing in too much gas and flooding it?
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RyanRodman
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| Maybe your forcing in too much gas and flooding it? |
Thats part of what i believe the problem is, im considering going to a mecahnical pump. I just dont have the means at the time to check how much pressure my elctric pump is actually puting out. |
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Mike Fisher
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I just bought a water pressure gauge and a couple barbed fuel nipples at Home Depot to check my fuel pressure for $10?
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RyanRodman
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| I just bought a water pressure gauge and a couple barbed fuel nipples at Home Depot to check my fuel pressure for $10? |
I had a gauge sort of like that which used the gauge from a pneumatic paint sprayer that i used to scheck fuel pressure when i had injection, but it doesnt read as low as the 2 psi i need for these webers. |
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RyanRodman
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Russ Wolfe
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If you need gaskets, let me know. I have a gasket junk box, that I throw all my left over gaskets into.
Pay the postage and they are your, as many as you need.
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RyanRodman
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If you need gaskets, let me know. I have a gasket junk box, that I throw all my left over gaskets into.
Pay the postage and they are your, as many as you need. |
Ya, id be interested in some extra gaskets. I can send u $ via paypal to cover postage and such. Any insight if the pump, flange, and pushrod i gave links to will work with my set up? Id like to order parts tonight so i can get them by next weekend.
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Russ Wolfe
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I can hook you up with the block, and the gaskets, but not with a pump.
Also, there are 2 different length rods depending which pump you use.
I can supply either, but need to know which pump.
What I can do, is supply one of each, and then you have a choice. They will be used rods, but the used ones last forever, unless they have been ground on.
PM me off the list and I will see what I can hook you up with.
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RyanRodman
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So i was able to check my fuel pressure today. It was just over 3.5psi which i read is high for these carbs. I want 2-2.5, correct? I also got a mechanical pump with matching flange and pushrod that i plan to install tommorrow. My first question is which port on the pump is which, in and out? Also currently the throttle spring and balance tube are fitted to the AAR, which ill have to remove for the pump, so where should i attach the balance tube?
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RyanRodman
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i put the mechanical pump in and it tested at like 8 psi, i stacked up 4 thick cardboard gaskets and its only down to 6 psi, what else can i do besides stacking 4 more gaskets?
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kokanee
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| you may have the wrong rod in the pump. I used the same set up in and 73 square first I had a rod that was to long and had problems installed a shorts one and it ran fine. Nice car If you need more help let me know I don't live to fsr from you. |
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RyanRodman
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| you may have the wrong rod in the pump. I used the same set up in and 73 square first I had a rod that was to long and had problems installed a shorts one and it ran fine. Nice car If you need more help let me know I don't live to fsr from you. |
I put the 4.25'' pushrod from cip1 in it, should i get a 4'' than? |
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kokanee
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| yes I would try that I didn't see what size I had in there I had them in my shop. If that don't work you can use a presure regulater on it to get it right. |
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rosevillain
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So i was able to check my fuel pressure today. It was just over 3.5psi which i read is high for these carbs. I want 2-2.5, correct? I also got a mechanical pump with matching flange and pushrod that i plan to install tommorrow. My first question is which port on the pump is which, in and out? Also currently the throttle spring and balance tube are fitted to the AAR, which ill have to remove for the pump, so where should i attach the balance tube?
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Do yourself a favor, and peen the pivot pin on that fuel pump in place. The old pumps had clips on the pivot to prevent it from moving. I have had to re-insert one on the side of the road.
Place a screwdriver on the soft aluminum housing that surrounds the pin, and strike it with a hammer. Do this several times around the pin. I have also wrapped mine with a large zip tie, 'cause I'm kind of a redneck. |
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