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norcalmike Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 4784 Location: Marina, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:49 am Post subject: new heads, now loss of power |
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ok. stock 1600 DP. i replaced my heads because the exhaust studs were stripped, repaired and stripped again. so, i bought new Auto Linea G01 heads. Now it seems like i have lost some top end power. i made sure everything was right. timing, valve adjust, heads torques properly, etc. I have put new heads on a used block before with no problems. but this time, im stumped as to what could be the issue. any ideas? |
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RA 70 Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 1092 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Have the right sized spark plugs installed?? |
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norcalmike Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 4784 Location: Marina, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:04 am Post subject: |
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RA 70 wrote: |
Have the right sized spark plugs installed?? |
yes. double checked that |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Your old heads may have been flycut which would increase the compression ratio. your new heads may have larger chamber CC's giving you a little less compression ratio. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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or it's behind door # 5. these heads dont leak exhaust and it runs quieter& smoother and dosent "sound as fast". or what dave said. wack em in the head. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
Your old heads may have been flycut which would increase the compression ratio. your new heads may have larger chamber CC's giving you a little less compression ratio. |
X2......I've seen this happen more times than I can count. |
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74 Thing Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2004 Posts: 7391
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Exactly, what were the cc's of the new head vs the old heads. Check the old heads since you probably still have them on a bench then you can figure out your compression ratio if you know your deck height, and you can probably get the cc's of the new heads you are running from your supplier. |
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norcalmike Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 4784 Location: Marina, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I was thinking that must be it but i was hoping that wasnt it. well, at least its an easy fix (sort of). Thanks |
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norcalmike Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 4784 Location: Marina, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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74 Thing wrote: |
Exactly, what were the cc's of the new head vs the old heads. Check the old heads since you probably still have them on a bench then you can figure out your compression ratio if you know your deck height, and you can probably get the cc's of the new heads you are running from your supplier. |
unfortunately, i dont have the old heads anymore. its a stock 1600, whats normal 7.5:1? i have the deck height tool, i just have to go get a CC tool. Its gonna be nice to have some power again |
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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norcalmike wrote: |
unfortunately, i dont have the old heads anymore. its a stock 1600, whats normal 7.5:1? i have the deck height tool, i just have to go get a CC tool. Its gonna be nice to have some power again |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: |
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butt whay the cc kit is like what??$12.00.well worth it.I like to use the green alcohaull ,easy to see and fills all the spaces .some use auto trans fluid but it's hard to get all the bubbles out of the corners sometimes.spray the inside of the seinge with wd or something so things go smoothley. |
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norcalmike Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 4784 Location: Marina, CA
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Link
I have never CC'd a head before. does everyone agree that this is the right way to do it? |
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jfats808 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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I do it the same way in regards with the grease on the edges. I would never use a sticky fluid. Fluids of the consistency of oil might be harder to get the air bubbles out quickly. The cleaning effort hardly seems reasonable to me. I just use water and get the air bubbles out. Wipe clean with a rag and call it good. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5292 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Make sure your getting full throttle,Butterfly open all the way?,I've seen that a few times simple fix,Madmike _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
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hotrodsurplus Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
Your old heads may have been flycut which would increase the compression ratio. your new heads may have larger chamber CC's giving you a little less compression ratio. |
Amen.
I've experienced the same issue several times, as recently as last year when I did the heads on a friend's car. One head was cracked at the plug so I replaced them with new castings. The old heads weren't step cut but the replacements were (his choice).
The carburetor was jetted leaner to work with the non-stepped heads. As expected I had to bump up the main and possibly the idle to get it to run right (which worked out stock jets IIRC).
After re-jetting it ran as well as a stocker could run but lacked the response and torque that it once had--both consequences of less efficient combustion. My pal doesn't pay attention to fuel economy but I'd swear on my mother's one good eye that it went down too.
Tight decks, small chambers, and moderate compression ratios are your friends.
I advise you to run a plug check; your engine might be a little lean if it was jetted to run with non-step-cut heads (provided someone flycut the step out of the old heads, of course). |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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yup that vid looks pretty good, but I like the green alcohaul,have used trans fluid before it works ok,also use a slight amount of greese in the valve seats if the spring are not on them, tighten the plug .and dont forget to write down what chamber is what . and is a ml the same as a cc?? |
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yep 1 mL is 1 CC equal to 1 gram of weight, pure water at sea level Haven't been in school since 1994 and still remember that stuff _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
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norcalmike Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 4784 Location: Marina, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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if memory serves, i do remember seeing a step on the new G01 heads. my old heads didnt ( i think). well, looks like im gonna undo a new head job and fix it right |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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66brm wrote: |
Yep 1 mL is 1 CC equal to 1 gram of weight, pure water at sea level Haven't been in school since 1994 and still remember that stuff |
thanks for the lesson I've been out for well over 30 years.well high school anyways |
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