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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't buy one from Toronto.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi SyncroGhia:

What is the fix you speak of for PD 150 cam wear? There are decent low-mileage PD's here in British Columbia for sale form time to time and the cam problem keeps me from looking at them for my Syncro Westy. The TDi is a long-term plan for me to implement after I use my SVX conversion for a while, until gasoline prices get too uncomfortable here.

To DHESQ:

Regarding the Detroit Diesel 3-71 idea, it is too tall, weighs a huge amount, and has a very limited power band. There are not enough gears in a Vanagon to make one run. I had a 3-71 in my old 4WD forklift many years ago and it was reliable, but that's all I could say in its favour. They belong in industrial and marine applications and are simply too heavy and have too little power for the weight, unless they are turbocharged.

I will say one thing - - the sound of a Jimmy at full song is truly amazing.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is good TDI information of the TDI club forum. Here is a link to a discussion about the PD oiling of the cams. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=253137&highlight=PD+oiling
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is good TDI information of the TDI club forum. Here is a link to a discussion about the PD oiling of the cams. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=253137&highlight=PD+oiling


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackDogVan wrote:
All vw tdi's can accept mtdi pumps, Libbybapa has a 12mm cummins 4bt bolt on pump for sale right now for a fantastic price, highly recommended.


If anyone is interested, I am Libbybapa on other forums and eBay, and I do indeed have a brand new 4BTA pump for sale on eBay right now. If going the mTDI route it is an excellent pump to start with. Some understanding and modification is necessary with it, tho. There's tons of info on the mTDI pump on vwdiesel.net.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have talked to Transporterworks and actually rode in his Synrco that has the 150 hp PD. It was AWESOME! He said he pulls a show bug all over the place with his, so I think this the way I need to go. I just hate to spend 10g's
on a new engine. I would love to find a low milage used one. Any idea's on that? I would love to come out with the whole conversion costing 10-12g.
I am including Big Brake kit, Decoupler and some one to do it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jeff,
I know the diesel guys will tear me up for this but, do you really want to go diesel?
You have a gas burner now right? A diesel conversion requires a lot more in terms of new tank, filler neck, bell housing, gauges, etc. (if I'm wrong guys let me know)
I really wanted to do m-TDI, but the costs started to skyrocket when I looked at some of the info. It looked like about $15k. and that was DIY
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi Jeff,
I know the diesel guys will tear me up for this but, do you really want to go diesel?
You have a gas burner now right? A diesel conversion requires a lot more in terms of new tank, filler neck, bell housing, gauges, etc. (if I'm wrong guys let me know)
I really wanted to do m-TDI, but the costs started to skyrocket when I looked at some of the info. It looked like about $15k. and that was DIY


I have to travel for work once every other week about 400 miles. My current truck gets 10 mpg so it would not take long to pay for it self. Plus I love Diesels!
If I did a gas I would have to go with the 1.8t I have one in my wifes car and it is a good strong engine. I don't think it would do what I wanted though?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

> I would love to come out with the whole conversion costing 10-12g.
I am including Big Brake kit, Decoupler and some one to do it.

ROTFL!

I hope your dream comes true

go to greaseworks.com for a reality check

read about DAIZEE's nightmare

and then look for a van that somebody else already went through all the time money and grief to get converted.. and see if you can afford it. That is the cheapest way to go diesel, short of doing it yourself.

post pictures when its driving

and btw, no, you wont make the 15k back in gas savings until after 25 years. that assumes you do 200 miles a week.. and that gas costs 3.50 and diesel costs 3.80

do get a diesel though, you will LOVE the power to stay in 4th gear going uphill and towing, IF you gear it right.. thats another rant
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm baffled as to why these tdi conversions appear to cost so much. How much are folks paying to DIY these things with existing VW 50 degree kits? I'm probably an advanced DIY-type with a welder and lots of previous mod experience, so why would I need to budget more than $4k for a M-tdi conversion?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SyncroGhia wrote:

I can't see a 1Z of AFN living to very long with 150bhp and 280ftlbs.


That depends on how hard you beat on it, driven moderately with an eye on the EGT gauge it will be fine. RUn it on the highway at 80 MPH with 2 atvs in tow and constant EGTs of 1400* and it won't be happy for too long.

JeffDenson wrote:
I would love to come out with the whole conversion costing 10-12g.
I am including Big Brake kit, Decoupler and some one to do it.


Negative ghostrider. As John Slider mentioned, not a chance of getting it done that cheap.

Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
why would I need to budget more than $4k for a M-tdi conversion?


Engine.............................. ~$2000
mTDI pump ~$700-1000
Trans rebuild with taller gears ~$2000
Adapter, engine mounts, carrier bars clutch flywheel ~$1200

And we all know once you get into a project the costs always snowball.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really want to blow your budget out of the water buy Syncro Greg's imported Subaru Diesel engine without any wiring or conversion parts for $8500 and get fabricating.

At my shop your budget would be tight for a Subie 2.2 and the extras you want.
Do all the work yourself and you may have a chance.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really want to hijack this tread, but don't want to start another either.

Am I wrong about needing to swap out the tank, filler, bell-housing to do diesel in a Syncro? These have to come from Europe.
What about exhaust? All this has to be custom right?
I have machining skills but no welding. Also I no longer have access to a machine shop so all fab work has to be sourced.

I saw on one post where someone spent $6500 in parts alone excluding engine and turbo bits.

And if I'm going to all that work I'm gonna want a good engine, so...$2500-$3500.

That's how I came up with close to $15k. Is this right? Be honest! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

riceye wrote:
Don't buy one from Toronto.


Can you please explain? Are you referring to the one in the classifieds?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Am I wrong about needing to swap out the tank, filler, bell-housing to do diesel in a Syncro?

They need the diesel bellhousing to bolt up and the tank because the starter is in a different position and the tank is molded for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you please explain? Are you referring to the one in the classifieds?

I believe that is a DAIZEE reference.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
I'm baffled as to why these tdi conversions appear to cost so much. How much are folks paying to DIY these things with existing VW 50 degree kits? I'm probably an advanced DIY-type with a welder and lots of previous mod experience, so why would I need to budget more than $4k for a M-tdi conversion?


The guy who bought my AAZ engine & Kennedy adapter did it in his syncro for under a grand. Adapter plate so no tank issues.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Syncrodoka, yes I knew about the starter location/tank business.
But I guess the real question is the bell housing vs adapter.
The TDi's I've seen documented have the bell housing conversion. Is there an adapter kit available? If so why would these guys go through the trouble of converting their tanks,etc.
Also don't you need to convert the filler neck anyway for diesel fueling?

Jeff, here is a good site for engines: www.qualitygermanautoparts.com/index.php?p=p1295470885&navt=Which Diesel Engine is Best for Me?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

71MYSTABOO wrote:

Also don't you need to convert the filler neck anyway for diesel fueling?


You can grind out the existing neck with a dremel/die grinder.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The guy who bought my AAZ engine & Kennedy adapter did it in his syncro for under a grand. Adapter plate so no tank issues.


For an around town van it would be ok, but to drive it any notable distance with a diesel buzzing away at 4000 RPM isn't my idea of a "good conversion".
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