What TDI do I need for my Syncro Westy

riceye · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject:

Don't buy one from Toronto.
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Howesight · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject:

Hi SyncroGhia:

What is the fix you speak of for PD 150 cam wear? There are decent low-mileage PD's here in British Columbia for sale form time to time and the cam problem keeps me from looking at them for my Syncro Westy. The TDi is a long-term plan for me to implement after I use my SVX conversion for a while, until gasoline prices get too uncomfortable here.

To DHESQ:

Regarding the Detroit Diesel 3-71 idea, it is too tall, weighs a huge amount, and has a very limited power band. There are not enough gears in a Vanagon to make one run. I had a 3-71 in my old 4WD forklift many years ago and it was reliable, but that's all I could say in its favour. They belong in industrial and marine applications and are simply too heavy and have too little power for the weight, unless they are turbocharged.

I will say one thing - - the sound of a Jimmy at full song is truly amazing.

MarkWard · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject:

There is good TDI information of the TDI club forum. Here is a link to a discussion about the PD oiling of the cams. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=253137&highlight=PD+oiling
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SyncroGhia · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject:

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JeffDenson · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject:

I have talked to Transporterworks and actually rode in his Synrco that has the 150 hp PD. It was AWESOME! He said he pulls a show bug all over the place with his, so I think this the way I need to go. I just hate to spend 10g's
on a new engine. I would love to find a low milage used one. Any idea's on that? I would love to come out with the whole conversion costing 10-12g.
I am including Big Brake kit, Decoupler and some one to do it.

MsTaboo · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject:

Hi Jeff,
I know the diesel guys will tear me up for this but, do you really want to go diesel?
You have a gas burner now right? A diesel conversion requires a lot more in terms of new tank, filler neck, bell housing, gauges, etc. (if I'm wrong guys let me know)
I really wanted to do m-TDI, but the costs started to skyrocket when I looked at some of the info. It looked like about $15k. and that was DIY
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JeffDenson · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject:

Jon_slider · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:

> I would love to come out with the whole conversion costing 10-12g.
I am including Big Brake kit, Decoupler and some one to do it.

ROTFL!

I hope your dream comes true

go to greaseworks.com for a reality check

read about DAIZEE's nightmare

and then look for a van that somebody else already went through all the time money and grief to get converted.. and see if you can afford it. That is the cheapest way to go diesel, short of doing it yourself.

post pictures when its driving

and btw, no, you wont make the 15k back in gas savings until after 25 years. that assumes you do 200 miles a week.. and that gas costs 3.50 and diesel costs 3.80

do get a diesel though, you will LOVE the power to stay in 4th gear going uphill and towing, IF you gear it right.. thats another rant

Zeitgeist 13 · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject:

I'm baffled as to why these tdi conversions appear to cost so much. How much are folks paying to DIY these things with existing VW 50 degree kits? I'm probably an advanced DIY-type with a welder and lots of previous mod experience, so why would I need to budget more than $4k for a M-tdi conversion?
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jackbombay · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:

insyncro · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:02 am Post subject:

If you really want to blow your budget out of the water buy Syncro Greg's imported Subaru Diesel engine without any wiring or conversion parts for $8500 and get fabricating.

At my shop your budget would be tight for a Subie 2.2 and the extras you want.
Do all the work yourself and you may have a chance.

dylan

MsTaboo · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:29 am Post subject:

I don't really want to hijack this tread, but don't want to start another either.

Am I wrong about needing to swap out the tank, filler, bell-housing to do diesel in a Syncro? These have to come from Europe.
What about exhaust? All this has to be custom right?
I have machining skills but no welding. Also I no longer have access to a machine shop so all fab work has to be sourced.

I saw on one post where someone spent $6500 in parts alone excluding engine and turbo bits.

And if I'm going to all that work I'm gonna want a good engine, so...$2500-$3500.

That's how I came up with close to $15k. Is this right? Be honest! Wink

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noganav · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject:

syncrodoka · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:45 pm Post subject:

syncrodoka · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:46 pm Post subject:

BlackDogVan · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject:

MsTaboo · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject:

Thanks Syncrodoka, yes I knew about the starter location/tank business.
But I guess the real question is the bell housing vs adapter.
The TDi's I've seen documented have the bell housing conversion. Is there an adapter kit available? If so why would these guys go through the trouble of converting their tanks,etc.
Also don't you need to convert the filler neck anyway for diesel fueling?

Jeff, here is a good site for engines: www.qualitygermanautoparts.com/index.php?p=p1295470885&navt=Which Diesel Engine is Best for Me?
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jackbombay · Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject:

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