Doka Rear Seats Question

Bman · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: Doka Rear Seats Question

Hello,
Still learning about my new 1984 Doka; and now I'm beginning to contemplate replacing my current rear seats which consist of a double and single bucket seats (I believe these were once the front seats to a 6 seater or single cab) with either a Tri-star bench seat or a multivan rock and roll seat.

Here is my current setup:

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To replace with a bench seat I believe that this bracket would be in the way; is this a stock bracket; other Doka owners do you have one of these?

Also how does a bench seat attach to the bottom case and back wall of stock Dokas? Most seats that I see for sale seem "loose" or come in two pieces; a PO of my doka had the railing base welded onto my bench seat base as here:

do I need these for a bench seat install?

Contemplating on getting a Tri-Star bench seat; however it does not seem like they have any head rests; do they? If so how do they fit on. I also saw Jed the Spread's Camper Culture video of his use of a multivan seat...impressive and perhaps that is the way to go. How easy would it be to install?

Thanks for any and all comments.
Bryan
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JED THE SPREAD · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:15 am Post subject:

Its easy enough to get a R&R seat in the back, their was some directions to a link on how I did it on the thread. To fit a genuine bench seat you will need the tub fitting that is in the link too, and as reguards to the bracket you can see in your pictures... Its an add on to take your existing seats.

Hope this helps

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syncrodoka · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject:

That is definately a front 60/40 seat from a 6 seater doublecab or singlecab. The bracket that you have a picture of and the hole next to it have been added by the PO at some point to attach the passenger seat to. That bracket belongs on the wall behind the front seats not in the rear.

shaun0008 · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject:

Tristar rear seats do not have head rests. The rear seat back attaches to the square shelf area underneath the back window with screws that go through the metal tabs attached to the seat back. One the photos below show the back of the seat and if you look closly you can see the tabs. The seats shown are from a non Tristar truck and are flat. Tristar seats have two bolsters in each seat dividing into sections for three people.

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MKIII and Sons · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:38 am Post subject:

that bracket is on the partition in my doka, still not sure on its intended purpose.
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syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject:

Do you have a pair of bucket seats up front now. If you do then that bracket is what the passenger side split bench backrest is supposed to be mounted to. If you have the partition then you are supposed to have a 60/40 split front bench seat because it is supposed to be a 6 seater.

Bman · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject:

syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject:

Sorry, I was replying to MKIII iz KING.
The seat bottom sits on the seat base and has a rubber strap that holds it in position.

OddN · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject:

You actually did get that split rear seat in a doka, the parts catalog calls it " seats, backrests and headrests in passenger compartment / rear. / german army: / German army"

If yours happens to be one of those is impossible to tell without looking at the M-codes. It could very well be like syncrodoka says, that they are from the front of a 6 seater doka or a 3 seater sika.
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MKIII and Sons · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject:

syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject:

Notice the lack of headrests in the army seats that the OP's seats have. Headrests are typical in the front seats but not in the rear. All of the military seating that I have seen were in that light brown vinyl not cloth.

OddN · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject:

Bman · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject:

syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject:

Well since you actually do have a old military car this could have been the original configuration as OddN said. They could have removed the front seats from a 6 seater and swapped them in. If you don't like this arrangement you could swap in a stock rear bench. The old military trucks that I have seen usually have the rear bench and I haven't seen this option other than I know it is a option. I have seen a few different rear arrangements but not this one.

syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject:

The rubber strap is part number 283 885 585
The gold cad. colored plate at the bottom of the strap is 111 885 589

The seats just don't look finished like VW would have installed them. Having a hole that things could fall into between the seats and be difficult to remove doesn't look like a OEM install. Confused

Bman · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: Return of the bench seat

Well I just picked up a worn, but nice Tristar bench seat (at least it was in the same state this time); and installed it this past weekend. I had to drill out holes for the back bench brackets and cut and grind that middle bracket off... Sad

, but so what, it looks great and I love it over what the POs did. While I was doing this project I found out that my rear bench seat bottom was not even bolted down!?? Can't have that. The whole 60/40 was in fact a PO modification; the tracks for the 60/40 were all bolted to the bottom bench support with those tracks over the empty space being welded to 18" angle iron for additional support. Meanwhile Ken at Vanagain is sending me the rubber strap for the bottom bench; I was able to salvage the bottom gold plate screw from the donor tristar.

Thanks for all your help and part numbers!

Now what's next.........? Rolling Eyes

Bman
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syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject:

Looks really nice now- almost like it was supposed to be like this. Wink

Bman · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject:

syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject:

It looks like a tristar thing. I found a pic online and you can just make out the bracket.

syncrodoka · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject:


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