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andre b Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2004 Posts: 806 Location: San Jose C.A.
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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wooooow. |
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mightymouse Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 4220 Location: las vegas
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Baby jeezus attempted a tear, then fainted. _________________ Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
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Note to EVERYONE.
Know your ZDDP levels or you WILL lose a cam and lifters. |
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doc jandry Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Avilés, Spain
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Vamos a ver como lo explicamos, que ya veo que esto está muy animado.
Yo quiero un bus para viajar con el y disfrutarlo, no quiero un bus para tenerlo guardado en el garaje y decir "que patina tan bonito tiene..."
Yo no sé cuantas personas habeis visto el bus en persona, si ya sé que en las fotos sale muy bien, pero la realidad no es esa. El bus estaba podrido por unos cuantos sitios, la mitad del bus estaba sin pintura y la chapa se estaba corroyendo.
Yo vivo en Asturias, una zona muy muy muy húmeda y cerca de la playa.
Si yo no restauro el bus, sencillamente "me quedo sin el en un par de años".
Yo puse el bus a la venta hace menos de un año por esta razón y no hubo comprador (mejor dicho, no hubo pagador), que compradores había muchos.
Yo ya sabía que esto iba a traer "cola" y también sé que es muy fácil criticar desde el otro lado cuando no tienes tus intereses en juego.
Bueno, un saludo a todos y haber si alguien me hace el favor de traducirlo. |
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Barndoor Mafia Il Capo
Joined: August 23, 2001 Posts: 6194 Location: EUSKAL HERRIA
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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doc jandry wrote: |
Vamos a ver como lo explicamos, que ya veo que esto está muy animado.
Yo quiero un bus para viajar con el y disfrutarlo, no quiero un bus para tenerlo guardado en el garaje y decir "que patina tan bonito tiene..."
Yo no sé cuantas personas habeis visto el bus en persona, si ya sé que en las fotos sale muy bien, pero la realidad no es esa. El bus estaba podrido por unos cuantos sitios, la mitad del bus estaba sin pintura y la chapa se estaba corroyendo.
Yo vivo en Asturias, una zona muy muy muy húmeda y cerca de la playa.
Si yo no restauro el bus, sencillamente "me quedo sin el en un par de años".
Yo puse el bus a la venta hace menos de un año por esta razón y no hubo comprador (mejor dicho, no hubo pagador), que compradores había muchos.
Yo ya sabía que esto iba a traer "cola" y también sé que es muy fácil criticar desde el otro lado cuando no tienes tus intereses en juego.
Bueno, un saludo a todos y haber si alguien me hace el favor de traducirlo. |
Que te pasa Tio! JODER!!! Aqui muchos hablen y no tienen. No te me precupes, yo te lo tradusco lo mejor posible. Otra cosa, haber cuando tiras para Euskalifornia con el Pirata del Martin. Ese Tio es un crack! DALE!
Here is a translation of what Jandro just wrote ..........
"Lets see how I can explain this as this has gotten really animated.
I want a bus which I can drive and enjoy, and not have it sitting in the garage most of the time and say ' what beautiful patina it has '. I don't know how many people have actually seen the bus in person. I know the bus takes great pictures, but the reality is ....... it looks a lot better in pictures then it does in person. There are lots of rot/rust issues through out the body of the bus, half the bus is without paint and the undercarriage is corroding.
I live in Asturias, in northern Spain. An area which is very humid and very close the othe ocean. If I don't attend to what needs to be done to the bus (rust repair, paint, etc), I will be without a bus in a few years.
I put the bus up for sale less then a year ago for this very reason and no buyer (or better said, no one willing to pay the asking price), but lots on interest.
I knew in advance that my actions towards my bus would raise eyebrows within the community and know as well that it is easier to criticize from across the pond when the 'pointers' have no real interest nor are in the game. (meaning, owning a Barndoor)
Well then, hello to everyone and hopefully someone can do me the favor and translate this for me."
Jandro ........ aqui lo tienes Tio! No te me precupes de lo que dicen. Es tu furgo y has lo que te de las ganas. Vale. Otra cosa ......... GORA EUSKAL HERRIA!! |
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52panelvan Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2006 Posts: 350
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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You just cant make everyone understand, if everytime you walked into an antique store and everything was restored as brand new then who would walk in.
What i dont understand is you buy it with all that massive premium on its uniqueness and then want to destroy that so you can drive it. Like that was something you didnt realise at first. If you couldnt sell it then may be lowering the asking price would be better than trying to make it northern Spain proof.
Mate - you took something with a unique "something" and you destroyed it! _________________ Austrian Kohlruss Deluxe
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Franz Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: Grand Junction
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Its all good. I can see why he decided to put some paint on it...but damn, I would have built a humidty controlled garage before loosing that patina...
bye bye old friend
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Barndoor Mafia translation wrote: |
I want a bus which I can drive and enjoy, and not have it sitting in the garage most of the time and say ' what beautiful patina it has '. I don't know how many people have actually seen the bus in person. I know the bus takes great pictures, but the reality is ....... it looks a lot better in pictures then it does in person. There are lots of rot/rust issues through out the body of the bus, half the bus is without paint and the undercarriage is corroding. |
I have seen it and it definitely had some rough areas in person. Nothing compared to what we have seen on here though...
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you buy it with all that massive premium on its uniqueness |
I agree with this. I felt that the purchase price was directly related to the look of the vehicle.
I personally would have tried to preserve the external look as much as possible but it's your Bus. _________________ How to Post Photos
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C.C.C. Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2006 Posts: 520
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to go and cry myself to sleep now... |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 878 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Please don't think I am having a go at you. I'm just trying to give myself some therapy to recover from this shock that has sent me into depression.
Your right lots of us didn't see it in the flesh. THATS THE PROBLEM! If you had warned you were about to do this I would have flown out to Spain immediately to see it before.
As for loosing it in a couple of years (and people across 'the pond') alot of the people posting are barndoor owners (most patined) from the UK. A small island surrounded by salt water and seamists. I'm in the southwest were it's so narrow we can experience the sea mist from both sides at once yet just down the road is a barndoor deluxe older then yours in original pain that's lived here for 6 years now. Just round the corner also is a bus that gets driven regularly and has been here for 8 years-ish and it's in BARE METAL!!!
If you needed patina protection you just needed to ask the Brits.
I need to rethink my top 3 BDs from that thread that was up a while ago. My top two no longer exist as I liked them |
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Deh Shark Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2006 Posts: 704 Location: U.S. Virgin Islands
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:43 am Post subject: |
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IMO... He's doing the right thing. Preserving the Barn-door. Carry on now. _________________ AH TIYAD AH DAT DEH BAI!!!
Organize folks are just to lazy to look for stuff!!
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: |
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huge error!
are there any others (prior) pictures of the work on the body (on the blog)? maybe of sanding off that og paint?
doc jandry wrote: |
There are lots of rot/rust issues throughout the body of the bus |
really? _________________ -StockRocks- |
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Bergepanzer Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 122
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Now I also feel like giving a comment about this hot and very emotional discussion.
My personal and very subjective opinion: I think both sides are right ... There would have been good ways to conserve and to protect the bodywork with special grease and wax solutions, also a transparent PU sealer is available which creeps into the rust and uses the water in there for the hardening process. The surface then still looks rusty but is water-repellent and sealed. But it is too late for that now.
Movie stars get face lifted - so why shouldn´t this also be allowed for an old BD lady? Many liked her before in all her mature beauty - others will surely like her with her lifted and massaged body.
There is just one major thing: It is not our bus - it is HIS. And he can do with it anything he wants. People had a chance to buy it and did not jump at it.
I think life is too short to stress our minds with argueing about the whole thing which happened here.
The bus is in good hands, though, and I´m sure the owner will enjoy it with its new look. |
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Rich's 50 Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2004 Posts: 10781 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Well said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 878 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I agree with. It is his bus and he did lay down the cash so can do as he pleases. But that doesn't stop it hurting inside.
The thing that confuses me is why buy THIS bus to revamp. It was very expensive, rightly so due to the visible history, and if apparently rotted and lets not forget - fallen off a cliff!!! Maybe another 54 would have been a better idea. The rear corner will need some serious filler to pull of new paint. |
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PeteSC Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 881
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Bergepanzer wrote: |
There is just one major thing: It is not our bus - it is HIS. And he can do with it anything he wants. People had a chance to buy it and did not jump at it. |
There's a lot of art lovers around the world who can't afford a real Da Vinci or Monet, yet they might have strong feelings about how they are preserved and the measures taken to do so. I think that's all that's being expressed here. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong about it - it'll still be a '54 BD Deluxe when done.
I'm sure it'll look fantastic when done, just like the other restored ones that have popped up on this site from time to time. |
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scvw Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2006 Posts: 3544 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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The argument about it being his bus and he can do anything he wants with it is true and nobody can disagree with that. What I see happening is that he had the bus for sale before and nobody jumped on it, ok no problem with that, but now he is going to put a large investment into restoring the bus and it is my opinion that it will be for sale again in a short time period. It seems now that his end profit? would be no different then if he had lowered his asking price of the bus in the condition it was before. The bus had a cool factor before because of its history and now it will be another shiny paint BD deluxe. It's irrelevant on which side you are on about the original/shiny paint debate, the bus has now lost its aura. I have no doubt that it will be a nice looking bus in the end, it just won't be THAT bus ever again. _________________ 58 Coral Red ragtop(Diana's car)
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johnny d Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 2204 Location: where it all came from. ;)
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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scvw wrote: |
[...] the bus has now lost its aura. I have no doubt that it will be a nice looking bus in the end, it just won't be THAT bus ever again. |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 878 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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It will always be a Painful trend to love patina'd buses. If you love restored buses then you can just wait for that day. And a restored bus can be restored again and again. But it only takes one owner to restore a patina'd and it's over. Although there seems to be a large amount of patina'd buses around at the moment, they must be a dying breed. It's simple math.
Also, if an owner is worried about protecting their bus and/or investment. Surely the logical solution is new paint OVER the original. So it may be removed and put back to patina'd if the next owner desired? |
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Yustrn JHC Controla
Joined: August 01, 2000 Posts: 5478 Location: Ovaland, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat wrote: |
Also, if an owner is worried about protecting their bus and/or investment. Surely the logical solution is new paint OVER the original. So it may be removed and put back to patina'd if the next owner desired? |
LMAO...seriously? _________________ I own a copy of "The Car of the Century" by Garwood. This means I am authorized to act like a twat in thesamba forums. |
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RPGreg2600 Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2010 Posts: 1657 Location: Vallejo, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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It's just paint. At least he's not putting a sliding door on it or something. I don't like to leave exposed rust on my bus either. I sanded all the surface rust off of my bus and put rustoleum over it to protect it from getting worse. Sorry. I think there's a certain point where you cross from patina to fucking rust. When half the paint is gone I think it's time for more paint. |
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