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htmanning Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2008 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Power locks |
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My Vanagon power locks make a lot of noise, and seem to struggle to lock. I purchased a new door lock actuator for my sliding door but that's the one that seems suspect. Is this normal? It locks, but it just seems to take a little time as if the sliding door locks after the other doors.
Thanks.
Tom
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24inchstance Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2005 Posts: 133 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah man, the slowness is pretty normal on these old vehicles. In more ways than just the locks....I just went through power door lock hell last week but now mine are working killer. If they are really noisy, you can take them apart and re-grease the cog wheels and that definitely helps. However, you could have a noisy motor in there. I just took all of mine apart, re-greased them, cleaned the contacts, put em back together and they are smooth as butter but still slow. I was using a 12v makita drill battery to test them after they were done to make sure it all worked properly before re-installing them. You'll need three wires stripped on each end to test em. Its super easy. Just hook one to the brown negative wire, one to the red positive and the third you just touch back on forth on the yellow and white wires to open and close it using the + and - terminals on the battery(this is on the front actuators). The slider and rear doors are slaves and ONly have three wires. Ground, up and down. I used plain old white lithium grease on the cogs. Good luck, its not that bad, just crack a beer and enjoy. _________________ 1990 Westy MV
2.2L WBX w/ LSD
1986 Darth Moped
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24inchstance Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2005 Posts: 133 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ 1990 Westy MV
2.2L WBX w/ LSD
1986 Darth Moped
81 Centurion |
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Dogpilot Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2005 Posts: 4205 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Even with the aftermarket actuators I put in mine, they all close at slightly different rates. It is most likely a lubrication issue with the lock mechanisms themselves. That and different amounts of force each lock requires. Since they all share wires, as each lock runs home it reduces the current draw on the wires, and therefor the highest force required lock will lock last as it get maximum current available.
Here are some illustrations on the system for your amusement:
_________________ Geology with a Syncro rocks!
86 Syncro Westy AKA "The Bughunter"
98 Disco I
08 Range Rover SC
08 VW Rabbit S
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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anyone have pics showing exactly how the wires are routed from the front of the vehicle into the F. doors? _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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does not compute |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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from the front of the vehicle where the relays, etc. are into the front doors
F. = front _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Never seen that one before.
I use the factory bellow that goes from the body near the fuse block
To the door
The holes are in the same place on the passenger side. |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks
PS - see the year listed below: _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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PS - see the year listed below: |
yeah, I saw that after and edited my post.
Hopefully the pix give you all the info. |
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IrideWheelies Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2009 Posts: 386 Location: Olympia, WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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My locks were really slow and noisy, I was just waiting for them to fail.
After installing a brand new Interstate battery a few weeks ago....all of the sudden the locks quieted down and sped up, sweet!
Maybe your battery is fine, maybe not. I just thought I'd tell you how it made a difference for me. _________________ 89' Dove Blue Syncro Hightop |
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delta-vanagon Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2008 Posts: 144 Location: Delta, OH
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Everyone knows to check your grounds when dealing with electrical, but often we forget to check the battery connections. _________________ 86 GL Bostig & 89 Wolfsburg |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I am curious how VW bundled all the speaker wire, wires for power locks, for power mirrors, and windows when running it all in the doors and to the doors in vans that had those options?
The speaker wires on my '86 run into the open air vent duct (on the passenger side) and then out the door shell thru a hole in the sheet metal (in between the interior door pad and the sheet metal).
But on the driver's side there is a black plastic block off plate with a hole for the wires in the dash side of the duct - it's held in with a screw so VW must have thought it was important...
Where do the power mirror and door lock wires exit the metal air duct in the doors?? _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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On power equipped vans the sub-harness had everything prewired in the same loom and it went through the rubber bellows I posted above. Power door locks, power windows, power heated mirrors, and speakers are all wired into the same loom from the factory. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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thx - I have a loom with a bunch of connectors on it
any easy way to determine what's what w/o going thru the black & white Bentley diagrams?
also, any info on the routing inside the door itself?
and, what do you make of that black plastic block off plate on the driver's side? _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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The power door lock connectors are the longest leads that have a 3 prong connector and yellow spade connector with it. The speaker wires are the loose blue and brown wires with exposed spade connectors next to each other. The 3 prong female connector and the 2 prong male connectors that are paired are for the power mirrors. The odd 6 prong connector is for the power window switch.
To wire everything- that is a job for the bentley and a multimeter but it is pretty easy.
The wiring harness follows the bottom of the large opening in the door and is zip tied to some prepunched holes along it's length. |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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ok, most of the wires follow that large opening edge.
But they enter thru the opening for the steel air duct (which is the only opening in my door) (??)
How do they exit the air duct? _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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scmatthew Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2009 Posts: 23 Location: Encinitas, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Apologies if this is a hijack.
My wiring connectors on the sliding door don't quite line up. When I took it apart and held it up to the connections the lock works.
I don't want to drill holes to adjust--can the sliding door be adjusted? I see that there are instructions for doing this in the Bentley.
Thoughts?
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