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Jim Bear Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: Fuel Line Fuel hose - Quality, Makers, Sizes FAQ |
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OK. I did a search for fuel line and came up with nothing for that specific title/subject. There is the thread Gone in 60 seconds.. Poof! that was started (and subsequently locked) about a fire in a bus owned at one point by Jake Raby. There was some good info provided by Jake regarding multi-fuel rated hoses and others, including Randy in Maine regarding Gates 30R9 fuel line. There is also various and sundry info about fuel hose in the Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! thread.
I figured I'd start this thread to create easy access in the search for info on fuel lines. If the thread is redundant, please delete.
I am currently using German cloth braided and I am getting ready to change all my lines. I am interested in the Gates product, or any similar product. I was unable to discern from what I found on the web if it is available in metric and where to get it.
Also, when I have asked at several auto parts stores about multi-fuel rated hoses and metric hoses in general I was sneered at and dismissed...they have lost my business. Input... _________________ "You're either on the bus, or you're off the bus." ~kk
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Suitable Gates 30R9 FI fuel line is available at most NAPA auto parts stores and comes in 8mm or 5/16" line which fits well. About $6 a foot. |
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Opossum Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Islets of Langerhans
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Most FLAPS can order it, the Gates model number is: 4219D and it is available in two lengths:
10 feet Part # 27085
25 feet Part # 27095
This is for 5/16". _________________ "You can lead an aircooled to water, but you can't make it drink"
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51147 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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8mm or 5/16" is fine for FI buses but too big for carbs like a 74 has, infact 1/4" is even a sloppy fit, you can sort of squeeze it down onto the fittings with good clamps but a better fix would be tapping the carbs/pump, etc.. and installing fittings like this thread mentions: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462873 _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Opossum Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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1/4" Gates model number same as 5/16": 4219D
10' part # 27082
25' part # 27094 _________________ "You can lead an aircooled to water, but you can't make it drink"
"Live and learn or crash and burn"
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vw76westy Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2007 Posts: 1584 Location: so cal
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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i read that thread where jake raby mentioned
the short live span of the german fuel line
a few days later i found 2 cracked fuel lines in my 75 9-setaer
the fuel lines were german braided fi rated & only lasted
2 years
so now its time to redo the job with better quality fuel lines _________________ order your BAY WINDOW T-SHIRT here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1526918
quote from bay window bus buyers guide........
The Type 4 engine is considered by many to be VW's finest air-cooled motor, |
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Jim Bear Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2006 Posts: 670 Location: Watkinsville, GA
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: ? |
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Doesn't it make sense that some company somewhere offers the multi-fuel grade hose in metric? I'm gonna keep searching? _________________ "You're either on the bus, or you're off the bus." ~kk
'85 Vanagon Westy - George In the Stable 2020-?/'74 Weekender - Ophelia In the Stable 2007- ?/'69 Beetle Convertible - SOLD 2017-2020/'67 Beetle - September SOLD 2013-2016 /'67 SO42 Westy - Sage SOLD 1996-2001 /'69 Transporter - Baby Blue SOLD 1995-1995/'72 Westy - Nelly - SOLD 1990-1995--STOP FRACKING |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Keep searching.
Then buy the Gates hose that is 8mm (5/16") it actually fits better than the 7mm.. |
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3297 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand why it is so difficult in this country (the usa) to get metric lines. most autos these days are metric and all I can get at the parts stores is inch size. Nuts and bolts the same way most things are metric and out of a whole row in the store there is one set of draws with metric stuff and it cost more. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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Jim Bear Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2006 Posts: 670 Location: Watkinsville, GA
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: OK |
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Thanks Randy. I'm in. So, all the fuel line after the pump is 7mm, correct? Is the line from the tank to the pump 7mm as well? _________________ "You're either on the bus, or you're off the bus." ~kk
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static Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2002 Posts: 1831 Location: The High Desert
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Does your local FLAPS support the Samba? No, they don't even carry fuel line in metric sizes. They are not to be trusted!
There is plenty of proper fuel line available from the advertisers here on the Samba.
Supporting those advertisers = Supporting the Samba. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: Re: OK |
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Jim Bear wrote: |
Thanks Randy. I'm in. So, all the fuel line after the pump is 7mm, correct? Is the line from the tank to the pump 7mm as well? |
I failed to notice that you are not fuel injected. I am not sure what your lines are (as I have never had to deal withthose before). I would call the FLAPS, NAPA, or your normal supplier. |
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wihr Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 344 Location: PORTLAND, OR
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: |
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I may be out of the inner group, but what is "FLAPS"? _________________ WIHR
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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That would be your Friendly Local Auto Parts Store.
It is important to KYA (Know Your Acronyms) |
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babysnakes Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: |
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wihr wrote: |
I may be out of the inner group, but what is "FLAPS"? |
Don't feel bad, I thought it stood for Foreign Lands Auto Parts Store until I asked a few months ago. At least I got 3 outa five words right. 60% is still a passing grade in some states. |
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vw76westy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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There is plenty of proper fuel line available from the advertisers here on the Samba.
Supporting those advertisers = Supporting the Samba.
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rockerarm Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I remember on the carb'd T-4 engines that had the fuel pump at the right lower part of the engine, one of the fuel hoses was a special stepped hose. I believe it was the hose that ran from the tank outlet to the inlet of the fuel pump. In lieu of this special hose we used to install the commonly used plastic fuel filter that had 1/4" and 5/16" step at each end. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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bigbore wrote: |
I don't understand why it is so difficult in this country (the usa) to get metric lines. most autos these days are metric and all I can get at the parts stores is inch size. Nuts and bolts the same way most things are metric and out of a whole row in the store there is one set of draws with metric stuff and it cost more. |
For some reason, they want to keep us confused and handicapped as long as possible. I would think we would see a significant up tick in our international equipment sales if we would go 100% metric. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51147 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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rockerarm wrote: |
I remember on the carb'd T-4 engines that had the fuel pump at the right lower part of the engine, one of the fuel hoses was a special stepped hose. I believe it was the hose that ran from the tank outlet to the inlet of the fuel pump. In lieu of this special hose we used to install the commonly used plastic fuel filter that had 1/4" and 5/16" step at each end. |
Yep, the pump inlet is 5/16" for some reason but the tank outlet is smaller, I do the filter trick on that one as well.
So they originally had a stepped hose?, fascinating, always pondered that but never enough to lose any sleep over it. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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dwill49965 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Wildthings wrote: |
I would think we would see a significant up tick in our international equipment sales if we would go 100% metric. |
Back in '74-75 or so, when the big debate was raging in Canada over whether to switch to the metric system, the prevailing argument was that the United States was going to switch soon, so we had to so that we wouldn't be left out of international trade and markets. _________________ Darryl
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Lastly, you just referred to US citizens as 'Americans'. Exactly what kind of Canadian are you? From what continent? |
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