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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Innovate or any dash mount AFM. I bought a new LM1 through CL froma guy who raced and went another route. Then I added a tach unit and vacuum pressure sender so I can see where the AF ratio is at different loads. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Criswell Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2003 Posts: 202 Location: Sunbury Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: |
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I recently picked up an Equus 3340 multimeter. Has Tach, dwell, volts, amps yada yada yada. here it is if ya wanna take a peek
http://equus.com/Product/Detail/B72CCE1C-0F6B-49B4-B815-7B31014870DC
I picked it up on amazon for 62 bucks. It seems like a pretty nice all in one, but i havnt gotten to try out the dwell yet. (somebody specificly mentioned buying it for dwell for old VW's and not being able to get it to work, but I needed a multimeter anyways and decided Id risk it.
Their 5568 "pro" timing light has it built in too, and can be found for about 100 bucks
http://equus.com/Product/Detail/FAE5FA18-7D9D-4BFE-95EB-0C48F517AD25
I think Im getting the timing light next payday _________________ Mike
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Criswell,
I'm interested in that Equus 3340 but like you said it did have a bad review from one guy on the dwell function. Since that's what I primarily need it for I would like to know if he's right. Can you test yours for me and let me know the results? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
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thewalrus Big Jack
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 3014 Location: Belchertown, MA
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Kirk wrote: |
I just have a basic one. Does the job tho. |
That's the same exact one I have. It does the job _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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thewalrus wrote: |
Kirk wrote: |
I just have a basic one. Does the job tho. |
That's the same exact one I have. It does the job |
That's what I have also. From Sears at Ala Moana thirty years ago. Fits in the onboard tool box right beside the timing light and the tested spare distributor with new points and condenser.
Aloha
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Criswell Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2003 Posts: 202 Location: Sunbury Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
Criswell,
Can you test yours for me and let me know the results? |
Put red wire in dwell port , black in "COM" hooked up red to ( - ) on coil , black to negative battery set it to 4 cyl, started it up and got and got 52* of dwell.
" adjust to 44-50*. Used points can be retained without adjustment so long as theyre within 42-58* of dwell" within 42-58 ( From "The Good Book" 5:72 verse 4 note).
Looks like it works fine, and I should think about ordering new points soon
Either the disgruntled Amazon buyer got a defective unit, or didnt set everthing up right. My guess is the latter of the 2. _________________ Mike
78 Westy 2.0 Hydraulic Lifter
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VWDruid Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2008 Posts: 1192 Location: Boca de Ratones FL
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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I use Actron CP7677 Automotive TroubleShooter - Digital Multimeter and Engine Analyzer
_________________ 70 Westy, 2027cc "dual DRLA 40 m140 i55 wjdoc a165 p33 v30 "w100 straight cut 040 polished heads 1.25 rockers 1.5 A1sidewinder supertrapp muffler trans 091 coil SUM-850500 CDI universal svda Pertronix
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It's not the straight cut gears It's the T.A.R.D.I.S. engine.
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Update:
I now have a nice ignition analyzer. A buddy at work dug his old one out of his storage shed and gave it to me. He says it was pretty nice in it's time. It's a Peerless 465. The pictures below are taken from one that's for sale on eBay right now but mine is the same thing. It has the inductive connector and a pigtail plus another pair of alligator clips that measure resistance. The problem I have is that it didn't come with a manual and I'm not sure how everything hooks up. If anyone has any ideas please let me know.
_________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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stever1000 Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2011 Posts: 274 Location: Victoria, BC Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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VWDruid wrote: |
I use Actron CP7677 Automotive TroubleShooter - Digital Multimeter and Engine Analyzer
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What's the advantage of this over the larger ones? Portability? newer design?
I'm looking for my first dwell/tach meter so I can change the points on my bus. |
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stever1000 Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2011 Posts: 274 Location: Victoria, BC Canada
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VWDruid Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2008 Posts: 1192 Location: Boca de Ratones FL
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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CP7677 has a rpm and dwell, CP7676 doesn't.
both are portable and are multimeter that can be helpful in finding voltage stuff, out like how much volts are in your battery or if that black wire hanging under your dash is alive.
IMHO that timing light is over kill but I have a degree pulley and can set my timing with a basic timing light, I can see the advantages of that Light if you don't have any markings on your pulley, but I have never used one of them and just think you'll look funny under the dash with a timing light checking for hot wires.
FYI the larger ones work just as well, and may be cheaper I see them at garage sells some times. _________________ 70 Westy, 2027cc "dual DRLA 40 m140 i55 wjdoc a165 p33 v30 "w100 straight cut 040 polished heads 1.25 rockers 1.5 A1sidewinder supertrapp muffler trans 091 coil SUM-850500 CDI universal svda Pertronix
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
It's not the straight cut gears It's the T.A.R.D.I.S. engine.
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Dude,
I'm going to tell you about what I've experienced and this is just me. I've been working on aircooled VW's since 1974 and have never needed a dwell meter. All I needed was a .016 feeler gauge and a timing light. Since I'm doing more and more of this I felt that I might as well get the dwell meter but as of now I haven't really used it. Sure it would be nice to have but if you're going to spend some money I suggest getting what's known as an "advance" timing light. With this thing you don't need a degreed pulley to check you timing at total advance. Last year I bought a very nice Snap-on advance timing light and it's the shit when it comes to timing these older VW's. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Alex6373 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 882 Location: Vancouver Island,B.C.
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to tell you about what I've experienced and this is just me. I've been working on aircooled VW's since 1974 and have never needed a dwell meter. All I needed was a .016 feeler gauge and a timing light.
X2 areomech |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
Dude,
I'm going to tell you about what I've experienced and this is just me. I've been working on aircooled VW's since 1974 and have never needed a dwell meter. All I needed was a .016 feeler gauge and a timing light. Since I'm doing more and more of this I felt that I might as well get the dwell meter but as of now I haven't really used it. Sure it would be nice to have but if you're going to spend some money I suggest getting what's known as an "advance" timing light. With this thing you don't need a degreed pulley to check you timing at total advance. Last year I bought a very nice Snap-on advance timing light and it's the shit when it comes to timing these older VW's. |
Well I have been working on these things since 1970 and I will tell you that a dwell meter is the gold standard for setting points. A feeler gauge (or matchbook in a pinch) will indeed get you close, but not the gold standard. Buy something that fits your needs that you will actually use.
Also invest in a decent advance timing light. Mine came from Sears a long time ago and has paid for itself $75 at least a 100 times.
Just my 2 cents..... |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76904 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Using a feeler gauge gets the points so the engine will start, you need a dwell meter to dial it in.
And honestly, most people don't use a dwell meter because you have to stop the engine, remove the cap and rotor to adjusted the points. Then reassemble, start the engine and see if you are close. Repeat as many times needed to get it correct.
With my distributor machine I can adjust them when the distributor turning. so it takes about 5 seconds. _________________ Glenn
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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With my distributor machine I can adjust them when the distributor turning. so it takes about 5 seconds
Now you're talking _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76904 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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It's like using a breaker bar when a torque wrench should be used. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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But you know what? I got by for over 25 years using that breaker bar so even though I might not have been doing it exactly right... it got me down the road. I never had a breakdown due to bad points that I can remember. Maybe my tuneups were more often than most but that's just me. I was religious with oil changes, valve adjustments, etc. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76904 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
But you know what? I got by for over 25 years |
I get 15,000 miles and more out of a set of points with never having to readjust.
Come one, you're an aircraft mechanic... use the right tool. _________________ Glenn
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