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Porschedave Samba Member
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Soul Samba Member
Joined: May 05, 2004 Posts: 168 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Porschedave wrote: |
Hi
Yes, the top hinge is 3 bolt and the bottom a two bolt. I modified the bottom 3-bolt hinge by cutting the tab and one hole off. The remaining holes lined up. I did have to move the driver's side lower hinge because things didn't line up nicely on the door gap.
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Thanks for the reply, I'll have to do the same for my notch. I've searched this forum for ideas for the door hinges and this seems to be the best way to save an early car. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22356 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Had some time for my '65 Notch today... |
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I have been working on the restoration of a 1965 notchback that I bought as a father-son project. The car turned out to be in much worse shape than we originally thought ...
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Man Dave, that's a ton of fabrication you've done. Like Brian said, "not bad for a Porche guy". I really do like that old Bendix tach. Are you going to keep in the car? The current pics you've sent me really don't do justice, compared to the build pics. Those are the real art work. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Porschedave Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2004 Posts: 454 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Porschedave Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Happy Sunday evening
I've got some more pics to add to this thread as we get closer to where I am today. Once I had the shell finished I needed to work on the engine area. As you saw above it was also pretty rotten. I decided that I wanted to use an IRS setup because I had a freeway flyer tranny. To do that I had to fabricate the hangers and such. I looked at Bob's setup and went from there.
First, I had to move and repair the water drain and air flow sections (yes, it was very rusty):
And then I reinforced the inner fender well area with 12 a guage plate
Designed and fit my new hanger. It's 12 guage and slides through a slot in the fender well area and is then welded to the reinforced section:
and here is a shot from the inside
At this point I thought that I was mostly done with body work until I polished the roof, only to discover... yes, rust
What else could I do but.. remove it
Cut the section out
repair the inner shelf
layout on another roof
and welded another roof section in place
and painted it.
So, the question is now -am I finished with welding? How many cars contributed to this notch? original shell, pan, bottom section of a squareback, nose from another, roof from yet another - that's 5 so far and we have not yet look at fenders, doors and hoods. This may take a bit longer yet.
I hope that you're enjoying the story so far... _________________ 1977 911S
1958 Karmann Ghia build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=571683
1965 Sunroof Notch build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5600139&highlight=#5600139 |
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dirtsandwich Samba Member
Joined: April 25, 2008 Posts: 625 Location: SW Oregon
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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dude, that is nice! _________________ 71 Squareback
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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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very much interested... and impressed! _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
1980s Sand Dragster "The Plunger"
LME "Little Giant Killer 3" |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22356 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Porschedave wrote: |
At this point I thought that I was mostly done with body work until I polished the roof, only to discover... yes, rust
What else could I do but.. remove it
repair the inner shelf
and painted it.
So, the question is now -am I finished with welding?
I hope that you're enjoying the story so far... |
Probably not, but we'll see.
On my sunroof Notch, I just patched in the rust holes, as I didn't have access to another roof. I sure hope you checked the front of the sunroof opening, as mine had rust there as well.
At least your sunroof tray looked better than mine, as on mine, the corners were rotted off/out, and had to be rebuilt.
Dave, the positive comments are given, as you've done one hell of a good job here on this car. I love these kind of projects, and I admire those who are willing to take them on, and see them to the end. Not everyone can just do this without worrying about not finishing it. There's just the sense of satisfaction you get when taking on a project like this, and actually seeing it to completion. Even IF you don't end up keeping it 100% stock, you've saved one, and you built it yourself. I look forward to seeing it in person (hopefully next year at the Invasion ). Good job, and keep up the great work. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Porschedave Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2004 Posts: 454 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings
Well, I've uploaded the final set of pictures to bring you to where I am at today.
Another 'problem' reared its head. I had thought that I would use a set of rear sets from a squareback but that did not work out. I did manage to get a decent set of notch rear seats but then discovered that my straight panels in the back wouldn't work because VW had this goofy notch in the seat. So I had to make pockets to fit the rear seat
and following, once again in Bob's footsteps, I "made" a fender from two otherwise bad fenders:
Now, I could finally do something other than welding and panel beating. I shifted gears and got ready to blow epoxy primer over the shell. As I was really concerned about the undersides, I rolled the shell over on its side:
blew on epoxy primer, and then seam sealer, and then ...
some single stage Velvet Green (L512) colour
and brought the car upright
and finally back on its pan.
This is where I am at today, only 5 years after starting this project. I have decided to go back to the original colour. The plan going forward is to epoxy primer the fenders, doors, hoods and sunroof and mount them on the shell. I will then use high build to block the whole car and finally get it painted. Of course, there is still an engine to build (1776 I think), ride height to be adjusted, a wiring loom to make and so on. The T3 invasion is possible but only a distant possibility as I still have my day job.
Thanks for joining me. I'll update this thread as I move forward. I appreciate the positive comments you've made and I certainly enjoy the camaraderie on this site. There are many more pics of this build on my site as well as those for the green notch I built for my son Matt- the signature has the link.
Dave _________________ 1977 911S
1958 Karmann Ghia build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=571683
1965 Sunroof Notch build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5600139&highlight=#5600139 |
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supaninja Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 4020 Location: houston
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2006 Posts: 2073 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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between you and bob .... it makes me want to tackle a rusty critter..... i was spoiled and fortunate to have a mostly rust free car. _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?
If you have any questions about Forged ICON 4032 VW pistons just shoot me a line. |
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Critter1 Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2004 Posts: 1575 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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VWporscheGT3 wrote: |
it makes me want to tackle a rusty critter.... |
haha _________________ Justin |
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Porschedave Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well, after some delay I have returned to working on the notch. My focus now is to get the fenders ready to mount so that I can blow hi-build primer on the whole car. This fender, however needs some work, like repairing the section over the headlight
and at the lower rear corner
and I had to cut out the front chin section and weld in a section from another fender
and now with some primer
[/img] _________________ 1977 911S
1958 Karmann Ghia build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=571683
1965 Sunroof Notch build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5600139&highlight=#5600139 |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4164 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! That's too much work!!!! But It's worth every penny! My hat's off to you sir! That show's TRUE dedication! _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Porschedave wrote: |
Well, after some delay I have returned to working on the notch. My focus now is to get the fenders ready to mount so that I can blow hi-build primer on the whole car. This fender, however needs some work, like repairing the section over the headlight
and at the lower rear corner
and I had to cut out the front chin section and weld in a section from another fender
and now with some primer
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Dave, all of that looks familiar, other than adding some new metal across the top of the fender. However, that's just part of dealing with these "old cars" that the aftermarket hasn't tooled up for. Like I said, I've done all of that before except the top of the fender part. I have however grafted the entire headlight bucket into a fender before. Makes grafting 2 half fenders seem easy doesn't it? Good job though, and keep up the good work. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Porschedave Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I am now working on getting the fenders, hoods and sun-roof section done in epoxy primer. It was a lot of work to get the gunk off the inside of the fenders as the front two had some undercoat sprayed on. Lots of scraping and heat from a heat gun. In the end they turned out pretty clean and now in primer they look pretty cool, although there still needs to be a little hammer and dolly work because the paint shows up some of the rough spots.
_________________ 1977 911S
1958 Karmann Ghia build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=571683
1965 Sunroof Notch build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5600139&highlight=#5600139 |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Porschedave wrote: |
I am now working on getting the fenders, hoods and sun-roof section done in epoxy primer. It was a lot of work to get the gunk off the inside of the fenders as the front two had some undercoat sprayed on. Lots of scraping and heat from a heat gun. In the end they turned out pretty clean and now in primer they look pretty cool, although there still needs to be a little hammer and dolly work because the paint shows up some of the rough spots.
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Yeah, both my 64 T-34 and my 71 Notch had what looked like spray on white/clear under coating (like rock guard), that was put on before final paint. I used a propane torch and a scraper to get it off. Not fun to deal with, compared to regular undercoating, as that stuff comes off very easy. You're really gaining on it though. Won't be long until the outside gets shot. Then the hard work can begin... reassembly. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Porschedave Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hello everyone
I finished laying down some epoxy primer and figured that it was time to bolt everything back onto the shell. The goal now will be to look at alignment of the doors, fenders and hoods. Also, I am certain that I will discover things that ned to be fixed. For example, at the bottom back end of the front fender I noticed one of the tabs has broken off, so I will need to re-weld a tab on.
Overall, I think that it looks pretty good, although I will want to change the ride height.
Here is the first shot:
and from behind
and from the alley, in the rain ..
_________________ 1977 911S
1958 Karmann Ghia build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=571683
1965 Sunroof Notch build thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5600139&highlight=#5600139 |
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