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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:40 am    Post subject: Need to replace my Engine and Tranny, Considering Subaru Reply with quote

My mechanic quoted me at around $7000 to put in a rebuilt standard vanagon wasserboxer and rebuilt tranny.

My hope is to do it for less or around that much and either do a Subaru swap or with one of the modded engines from gowesty.

I am open to other ideas that would give the car more power.

I am not a mechanic though, and don't want to do the work myself.

So basically I am looking for help on ideas, and where to get parts/engine etc to be able to do this for within a price I can afford.

Thanks for your time and help.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That quote sounds a little high.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Search. This has been done to death.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alaric.H wrote:
That quote sounds a little high.


Not if it is a Vanistan engine and quality rebuilt transmission using all new parts.

Low actually, was labor included?

FYI, the new Subaru EZ30r conversions are coming......
Substantially more money but much more to offer than a waterboxer.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: Need to replace my Engine and Tranny, Considering Subaru Reply with quote

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My mechanic quoted me at around $7000 to put in a rebuilt standard vanagon wasserboxer and rebuilt tranny.


For a plain jane vanilla vanagon engine/trans rebuild that is way high. Keep looking, my $.02
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not completely out of line. A quality engine rebuild can be $3k-3.5k and a manual tranny is $1500. That's already $5k in parts. $2k for labor and warranty and you're there. You could probably get it down to $6k is you really shopped it around, but you're going to be in that neighborhood. A conversion total cost will definitely be more if you're not doing any labor yourself.

If it were me, I would get a 2.2 from GoWesty and find a mechanic to install it. I think it's a proven engine and good bang for your buck. So what's wrong with the transmission?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the speedy replies.

Tranny is popping out of gears, and sticks in odd ways when trying to switch.

Mechanic said that it was most likely shot, but not entirely sure. I was working with Larry Blazer in Denver, who came highly recommended and seemed like a trustworthy guy. I am sure he would do great work. But I don't know if I can afford that much, and would much rather get more power out of the engine if I am going to put that much in.

I am definitly considering one of the lower end gowesty engines.

I just want to be able to make it over heavy hills at the speed limit. I don't need to race or anything. I also want my money to go a good 100k miles or so.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cannot do the work yourself any engine conversion is going to cost $$$. Here is a Subaru option.

http://www.vanaru.com/index.htm

If you do the work yourself you can get to within your budget but you'll need to be resourceful at scrounging an engine and parts. It can be done.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have some friends recommending that I just sell it. Current offers have been around $2000.

Paint faded, body in very good shape for age. a couple smallish cosmetic dents. and many if not all of the original accoutrements. Also I bought it directly from original owner who bought it in germany. Pretty cool actually, it went to Israel back in 1985-1986
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can't do the work yourself, then the conversion will cost (more than $7k, with a tranny esp.) I did my subie EJ22 swap for ~$3k, but I did it all myself...

I'd say find a good used 2.1wbx (~$1000) and a good used tranny (~$400) and have that installed. It would get your van back running for "cheap" and then it will be worth more than $2k + the new motor/tranny.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

any idea on where to find a good used 2.1 and trany?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the classifieds or local VW shops. Where do you live?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1199970

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1189450

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Need to replace my Engine and Tranny, Considering Subaru Reply with quote

bitmouse wrote:
...I am not a mechanic though, and don't want to do the work myself... help on ideas, and where to get parts/engine etc to be able to do this for within a price I can afford...


You buying parts and hiring someone to do the work sounds like a formula for a no-accountability disaster -- especially if you pursue an engine swap.

The $7K quote sounds about right for a turn-key transaxle and a rebuilt WBX with some upgrades, installed by the mechanic of your choice.

Very possibly worth it for a Westy but perhaps not for a tin top as you have.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he has a 1985 full westy.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1190004
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new VW Routan starts at $27,000, so your $7000 repair bill is about one fourth of that and for something that most here consider a more desirable vehicle. I doubt that you will find a quality rebuild a whole lot cheaper and you certain don't want to be paying even close to that kind of money to get half a$$ work.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this helps, or even if it's still available (no personal interest here). It's from the SubaruVanagon Yahoo group:

Posting Title: 2.1 WBX
Price: 200 (USD)
Description: Complete 2.1 WBX recently pulled for engine swap. All accessories, exhaust system, ECU included. Located in TX, Running and not leaking when pulled but fouling number 1 spark plug.
Location: TX
Contact: [email protected]
Date: June 14, 2011
Status: Available or Wanted
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard trans rebuild (if nothing too expensive is damged ) $1000 at Rancho.

Good used engine $200 - $750????

Do dads and shipping another $1000.

So about $2500

R and R 3 days (very gracious) at $100 is $2400.

So it should be like $5000.

I do NOT know what the parts cost to do a good WBX rebuild these days, though.....

You do the math.....
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