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TheRealMacGyver Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2011 Posts: 198 Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: TheRealMacGyvers 1977 Restore On A Budget Thread |
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I officially started restoring yesterday (instead of disassembling and removing rot) so I figured I should start my own restore thread to document my progress. I bought a '77 and a '79 Bay Window for $600. from my brother and that's where my nightmare began! The '79 now has a Florida title and will have to wait until the '77 is complete before it get's my attention. It will also serve as a model for reassembly.
So, my plan is to weld as much new metal as possible without breaking the bank and do the best I can with everything else. I am working under a tarp-carport on a concrete pad in my backyard, so my working conditions are not ideal. But this is what I have to work with.
I have to thank Grandpa Pete for stopping over and really kick starting the process and giving me some direction.
I started on the passenger side front floor area and a small spot of rot on the rear of the wheel well that poked through into the lower side cargo door track. I am wire wheeling rust, then phospho, then welding metal in from the backside (when possible), and then grind, primer, paint (both with rattle can), filler will be added over primer when needed.
So here are some pics of my weekend work, keep in mind I am a total newbie with welding, so my welds are a bit rough.
This is how the area I worked on looked when I brought it home:
Then after some clean-up:
I know this looks rough, but no one will see it:
Here is a hole on the backside of the wheel well:
Cut a patch:
Clamp it in:
Weld it in:
I know someone will freak out on me (I don't care btw) but I am using liquid nail as a seam sealer where you won't see. This is what it looked like in the end.
And the section done (for now)
I also sand blasted the lower side door track and phospho'd for tomorrow:
The dogleg weld/repair here needs a little more grinding, but this is better than a hole
So, that's about 10 hours of work, just getting started. _________________ 1977 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1979 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1977 thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=484931 |
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Klaussinator Samba Member
Joined: June 17, 2008 Posts: 1111 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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You're off & running . . . I'll follow this thread. Thanks!
-Klauss _________________ I have taken a vow of poverty. To annoy me, send money!
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the Klaussinator - `73 hardtop Bay custom-built camper |
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VDubTech Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2002 Posts: 9142 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe someone would do all of that work and then use liquid nails as seam sealer. Come on man. Seam sealer isn't expensive. Don't destroy all of the good work you've done with shitty products at the end. _________________ First Trip in the RustyBus:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=279077&highlight=
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a measurement of your rod would be extremely useful. |
notchboy wrote: |
my dad wasnt a belittling cock when he tought me how to wrench on cars. |
EverettB wrote: |
One photo = good for reference.
10 photos = douchebaggery |
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Westfabulous Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 4207 Location: The tropic of Canada, dodging the giant flying moose of Surrey!
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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VDubTech wrote: |
I can't believe someone would do all of that work and then use liquid nails as seam sealer. Come on man. Seam sealer isn't expensive. Don't destroy all of the good work you've done with shitty products at the end. |
Ya, for once I have to agree with VDT. Seems a waste, and you are putting in a lot of effort. Make it count. If you can't get a perfect bead to cover your seam, buy a small, stiff artists brush and then feather the bead. Some seam sealers are more rubbery than others, and they can offer flexibility that Tough as Nails can't. _________________ *****************
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
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MalibuLX3 Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2005 Posts: 821 Location: Rochester, MI
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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VDubTech wrote: |
I can't believe someone would do all of that work and then use liquid nails as seam sealer. Come on man. Seam sealer isn't expensive. Don't destroy all of the good work you've done with shitty products at the end. |
Agreed. Seam Sealer, 12 oz; Gray only $13 bucks at Napa.
Other than that, nice work going with welding metal instead of just slapping bondo over the missing metal. Lets see some pictures of the complete bus! _________________ 1978 Westfalia |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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remember...how do you eat an elephant or fix a bus........one peice at a time..glad to help....... keep us posted...and smooth off the "seam sealer" before it dries..................anyone in savannah need help/?.....I'll be there for a week _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569619&highlight=sedan+delivery |
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry about it. it's not so bad. I hope you removed the old metal in that patch section in the wheel well though.
What kind of welder are you using? It just strikes me as a little odd that you are just tacking the metal in place instead of seam welding it.
To be honest I'm hopeless with a MIG, but I get the job done eventually.
Can't speak for you but I'm not on a steak and champagne budget for what I'm doing. It's closer to roadkill and swamp water but where there's a will there's a way so keep going, think things through before you do them and you should be fine. _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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Busdriver79 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2011 Posts: 1655 Location: The Peoples' Republic of "No" Jersey
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: body repair |
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@ McGyver:.....don't worry about what all the critics say about how you repair your own vehicle.....remember:...you have to please NOBODY but yourself....it's great that you are doing things yourself and your own way....someone will always criticize another's work and efforts....just keep up the good work and to hell with the critics !!!....i'm always asked when am i going to paint my vehicle...i always tell them that when the vehicle's title is in their hands (for the right price,of course), then they will be free to paint it themselves whatever color they want !!! |
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Westfabulous Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 4207 Location: The tropic of Canada, dodging the giant flying moose of Surrey!
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: Re: body repair |
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mschiffel wrote: |
@ McGyver:.....don't worry about what all the critics say about how you repair your own vehicle.....remember:...you have to please NOBODY but yourself....it's great that you are doing things yourself and your own way....someone will always criticize another's work and efforts....just keep up the good work and to hell with the critics !!!....i'm always asked when am i going to paint my vehicle...i always tell them that when the vehicle's title is in their hands (for the right price,of course), then they will be free to paint it themselves whatever color they want !!! |
Nonsense. I didn't see a word of criticism in any of the above posts. What I saw was constructive feedback. You are right, he has only to please himself; hopefully he will continue to be pleased when his work begins to fail after it's first winter. If a person doesn't want honest feedback, or criticism as you call it, they shouldn't hang there ass out in a public forum for the world to see.
Realmcgyver: I hope your resto goes well, and you need to believe that people here want to help, seeing as you are putting in so much effort. _________________ *****************
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
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Kirk Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2003 Posts: 5487 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Think of it this way. Do it the best you can now, or do it twice. When I think of things that way, especially things that suck real bad, it always makes me want to pay a little more for a better part or go the extra step. I hate having to do anything over.
Looks good. _________________ MAKE FORUMS GREAT AGAIN
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TheRealMacGyver Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2011 Posts: 198 Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure that the liquid nail is better than the original stuff they used in '77. The factory job isn't exactly pretty either. We aren't talking about something you will ever see. I will see about buying a tube anyhow, but I have a case of liquid nail just waiting to be used. Remember all I'm trying to do is keep water from getting in between the metal around the welds. Thanks though. Hopefully I'll update by the weekend. _________________ 1977 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1979 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1977 thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=484931 |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I think the Liquid Nails holds the rust particles together You first have to have a bus to seal the seams. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50353
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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You can get a polyurethane construction cement for not too much more than the cost of plain Jane Liquid Nails. It bond tenaciously and should last a good long time. |
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barefootwestie Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:28 am Post subject: |
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This is what I used for the seam sealer and it wasn't that expensive –maybe around $15.00. Def. worth the extra $10.00:
http://3mcollision.com/3m-fast-n-firm-seam-sealer-08505.html _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
1973 Westfalia
"Getting better....one repair at a time."
Other VW's owned through the years, in no particular order:
'67 Beetle,
'67 Ghia Hardtop,
'72 Ghia Convertible,
'72 Westfalia |
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Rodmullet Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2010 Posts: 196 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I personally like seeing alternative/cheap/different methods concerning any type of bus project...not everybody has the cash, time or proper facilities to do everything the "right" way...I would actually like to see more of this type of thing, with follow up to how successful a method is...so please keep us updated.
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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i'm the one who told him to use the liquid nails....I got my first restoration trophy in 1982.... the stuff works fine and will last as long as the bus...lets move on.....positive feedback anyone????......encouragement anyone?????...................stuck in hotel in savannah/anyone know the savannah vw sceene?pm me with any info please _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569619&highlight=sedan+delivery |
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TheRealMacGyver Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2011 Posts: 198 Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha. Yep I painted over it today and I dare anyone to notice it! Now if I could figure out how to get it off my fingers! (joking; I used gloves!) _________________ 1977 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1979 Transporter 2.0L Automatic Project
1977 thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=484931 |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Rodmullet wrote: |
I personally like seeing alternative/cheap/different methods concerning any type of bus project...not everybody has the cash, time or proper facilities to do everything the "right" way...I would actually like to see more of this type of thing, with follow up to how successful a method is...so please keep us updated.
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ok. here is some 'alternative' repairs that turned this 69 into a parts bus
who needs a window seal when you have caulk?
rocker panels? pfft. i have rubber roofing membrane. and some wood. yes, wood and some sort of construction adhesive
not ripping on the o/p but who the hell in their right mind would do such a half assed repair? the same people that bitch about the cost of a soild bus usually. or, the people that want way to much for their 'repaired' bus and wonder why it's in the piss and moan thread. here is a nice shot of 'alternative repair' getting ready for the crusher
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Westfabulous Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 4207 Location: The tropic of Canada, dodging the giant flying moose of Surrey!
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
Rodmullet wrote: |
I personally like seeing alternative/cheap/different methods concerning any type of bus project...not everybody has the cash, time or proper facilities to do everything the "right" way...I would actually like to see more of this type of thing, with follow up to how successful a method is...so please keep us updated.
Rod |
ok. here is some 'alternative' repairs that turned this 69 into a parts bus
who needs a window seal when you have caulk?
rocker panels? pfft. i have rubber roofing membrane. and some wood. yes, wood and some sort of construction adhesive
not ripping on the o/p but who the hell in their right mind would do such a half assed repair? the same people that bitch about the cost of a soild bus usually. or, the people that want way to much for their 'repaired' bus and wonder why it's in the piss and moan thread. here is a nice shot of 'alternative repair' getting ready for the crusher
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Yup. Looking good, and lasting good are not necessarily the same thing. The auto industry uses what they use because they know a thing or two about their business. "Fuel injection? Rip it out and put in some carbs. Damn Germans, over engineering everything." _________________ *****************
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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skills@eurocarsplus, what is that funny round black thing attached to the inside front of the oxide Avenger with a bit of gal iron? _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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