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Wrenchman12
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 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: project bus or parts bus? what do you think |
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So I recently picked up two buses that have been sitting for awhile.. ( saved two from the crusher)
What do you think of this 73 9 passenger? Part it out? and scrap the rest
or offer it up as a project bus?
Ideal situation would be to find someone with a solid shell that needs an interior and all the rest..
Whats a reasonable price to ask for a bus in this condition? I was thinking $650-750?
Bus is 99% complete...Its missing a carb, the rear bumper, and a few hub caps.
Its also 95% unmolested... rear window glass was painted black and removed, and the gas tank was removed to prepare bus for the crusher.. I do have the tank and some good glass for it.
Bus looks pretty good from afar but its pretty rusty down underneath.
THE GOOD
THE BAD
Here is the 1700 which is stuck from sitting
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TheFonz
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Its definently save-able but you will probably make more parting it out and scrapping it. I'd offer it as a whole bus and see what happens-as for price i'd say $400-500. If I were you i'd throw a carb on it and attempt to get it to fire, a running bus would equal more $
You did just save it- it would suck to see it get scrapped after all 
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Wrenchman12
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Fonzy, i think you are right... more money in parting it out, but then there is all the time stripping and shipping etc. Given the front beam looks to be solid, there is a trany, engine, complete interior I think $450-$500 is a little low? I guess I need to look into the engine a little better and see if it frees up easy and try and get it to turn over and fire? I do have a carb for it so who knows..sure would help it situation to be running!
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TheFonz
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Yeah you could definitely ask more in your range with an engine that atleast tries to turn over- the $400-500 is what I'd expect with a mystery conditioned tranny and engine. It could be seized and the tranny could be stripped, you never know.
But it is definitely a nice and pretty complete transport, and considering it spent its life in the north east the body isn't any worse then expected.
Its useable and I can see it being someone's slow resto/driver
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vw76westy
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wow you guys
would actully consider saving this
the bottom looks so rusted threw that the amount of time
to weld in a new metal would not be worth it
thats not even thinking of time & money to rebuild motor
and leg work to get it registered
it is very complete
if anything id find a solid body thats getting scrapped (becuase its so stripped) then combine the 2
personally this is a prime canidate to part out
seeing how you would even consider saving
makes me think you need to come to the south west
& take these stripped down solid body buses back with you
then dress them up with with the complete buses that are rotted out
from the north east
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Its definently save-able but you will probably make more parting it out and scrapping it. I'd offer it as a whole bus and see what happens-as for price i'd say $400-500. If I were you i'd throw a carb on it and attempt to get it to fire, a running bus would equal more $
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ha,
you can get that much for the heater boxes and tins alone
plus another $300 for the middle seat
and another hundred for the rear seat
and you still have the vent wings, front windshield, + the whole rest of the bus
ill offer you $xx for the head rest (pm sent)
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Kirk
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I'd part, or roll rusty as is for awhile and find a rust free body to swap the good stuff over to.
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Wrenchman12
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| I'd part, or roll rusty as is for awhile and find a rust free body to swap the good stuff over to. |
no way you would get a state inspection here in NH with that much rust... but I can part it! we'll see.. just gonna sit on it for a bit I guess or at least until I have the time to part it out properly..
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Kirk
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Sorry. Spoiled by TX. Register sight unseen as an antique and no inspection. 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Kirk wrote: |
| I'd part, or roll rusty as is for awhile and find a rust free body to swap the good stuff over to. |
no way you would get a state inspection here in NH with that much rust... but I can part it! we'll see.. just gonna sit on it for a bit I guess or at least until I have the time to part it out properly.. |
Inspection? You should see the crap runnin' the streets of calif!
I guess it is a coin toss as to part it out or have someone fix it (within its limits). Bill |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| vw76westy wrote: |
wow you guys
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wow. you cali and mid west boys have no clue what we go through on the east coast. i agree the bus is a little toasty on the edges for sure, but i would pay 4- 500 for that bus. 700 if it ran and yard drives. unhacked busses are hard to find. i like the fact that no one went after it with roofing tar and pop rivets. i say ask a fair project price for it. i have learned over 22 years (got my first bus when i was 10) it is easier to sell as a whole than part. if you try to part that bus, everyone will want the bulky stuff, seats, dash, engine, transmission etc and bitch about shipping costs, guys will flake on you after you burn a weekend waiting for them to show up. been there, done that
i don't mind rust work. i guess i can't seeing i have been a new englander my whole life. you could make more parting it, but in the end, what is your time worth? just trying to give you options
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| vw76westy wrote: |
wow you guys
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wow. you cali and mid west boys have no clue what we go through on the east coast. i agree the bus is a little toasty on the edges for sure, but i would pay 4- 500 for that bus. 700 if it ran and yard drives. unhacked busses are hard to find. i like the fact that no one went after it with roofing tar and pop rivets. i say ask a fair project price for it. i have learned over 22 years (got my first bus when i was 10) it is easier to sell as a whole than part. if you try to part that bus, everyone will want the bulky stuff, seats, dash, engine, transmission etc and bitch about shipping costs, guys will flake on you after you burn a weekend waiting for them to show up. been there, done that
i don't mind rust work. i guess i can't seeing i have been a new englander my whole life. you could make more parting it, but in the end, what is your time worth? just trying to give you options |
110% agree! You west coast guys have no clue what kind of rust nightmares we have over here. I also agree about the parting thing and flaky buyers. Either keep it as your personal parts bus (TRUST ME... you'd be surprised the amount of parts that are made of unobtanium in that) or sell it as a whole and be done with it.
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vw76westy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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this is what most west coast buses look like before they go
to the crusher
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TheFonz
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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East coast has different standards when it comes to crush worthy.
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Busdriver79
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: rusty bus |
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| way too much rust to fix....part it out . |
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hansie
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Don't part it FIX it. You don't run across 9 pass buses everyday. That is just a winter project on the east coast.
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vw76westy
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i dont get it ???
everywhere you read on the samba
the message is....
its lot easier to fix & repair anything
over rust or body damage
even if you did the work yourself
for the time & cost of welding in new sheet metal
riggers,frame, dogbones,etc
would'nt it be faster...cheaper
to just come to the southwest & take one of these
rust free body's back home
from what i see, out here it seems that if a bus needs any body work(rust or dents)
it just gets junked..
the only time i ever see rust threw is when im in san diego ca (ocean salt air)
the local surfers drive them untill there's nothing left
ironicly most buses have a solid body
but they are a total hack job threw out shag carpet,mystery wiring,chevy seats,honda sunroof,galvinized plumbing for bumpers,
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TheFonz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| vw76westy wrote: |
i dont get it ???
everywhere you read on the samba
the message is....
its lot easier to fix & repair anything
over rust or body damage
even if you did the work yourself
for the time & cost of welding in new sheet metal
riggers,frame, dogbones,etc
would'nt it be faster...cheaper
to just come to the southwest & take one of these
rust free body's back home
from what i see, out here it seems that if a bus needs any body work(rust or dents)
it just gets junked..
the only time i ever see rust threw is when im in san diego ca (ocean salt air)
the local surfers drive them untill there's nothing left
ironicly most buses have a solid body
but they are a total hack job threw out shag carpet,mystery wiring,chevy seats,honda sunroof,galvinized plumbing for bumpers, |
For alot it's about the pride of bringing something so close to death back to life. The thrill of driving something that you've been working on for hours - shipping a bus 1500 miles isn't cheap either, the initial investment in a shot bus is much lower and gives you a chance to gradually put money and hours into it. In the end everyone has 6-10k in a nice bus, just a matter of how you get to that number.
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notchboy
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I dont care how awsome your are at body repairs or even motor mechanics. Nothing beats a nice clean original runner. For me knowing to much about how a car was put back together deviating from original to save it-restore it what ever ruins it. Id spend my money all day long trying to find a better bus to throw my money into. If you're all about pats on the back and how you saved one from the dead then go for it. If you want a bus that things will fit and or last longer-buy a better example.
The rest of you dont get all butt hurt, there are still plenty of good clean buses around TO NOT have to think with your heart or pride. Maybe not in your neck of the woods but within the US border fo-shore.
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vw76westy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| TheFonz wrote: |
For alot it's about the pride of bringing something so close to death back to life. The thrill of driving something that you've been working on for hours - shipping a bus 1500 miles isn't cheap either, the initial investment in a shot bus is much lower and gives you a chance to gradually put money and hours into it. In the end everyone has 6-10k in a nice bus, just a matter of how you get to that number. |
to each his own,i guess
i totally understand the statment & i have that same thought with so many parts that i restore (like the original kickpanels)
but i see so many buses out here that are solid buses
that just need a little love to get back on the road
where in the end they get scrapped for something as
trival as a dented nose or dented rear corner
in the end most of these just need a motor
why not save one of these vs something thats already on its death bed
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