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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: What to do with a rotted 74 Super? |
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My father is the original owner of this car, but he parked it in 1984 and it has not moved under it's own power since then. It was in the garage for a couple years, then he had me pull it out to the driveway so my brother could convert the garage to an apartment. It has sat outdoors ever since and is completely rotten... the pans have even fallen down. The engine does not turn over, and the brake drums are stuck.
Only positive note I can see is that it's all original, and everything is there (sunroof and radio too) except the outside rearview mirrors which appear to be stolen.
Would it even be worthwhile listing here as a parts car?
Should I just pull the engine and trans and have him scrap the rest?
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just scrap the whole thing, a locked up motor, hasn't moved on it's own since 84 _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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sb001 wrote: |
maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Loqutis Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2011 Posts: 118 Location: Nashville, TN
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on how rotten is rotten. if it is just the floor pans and the motor that need replaced i see no reason to scrap it. _________________ 72 super beetle |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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One man's trash ... yadda, yadda, yadda.
List it on the Samba and see if you get any interest. This could be ideal for someone trying to restore a similar car, especially if yours is all original. Even if it is too far gone to repair it could still be a good pattern to see how things are supposed to be, and could yield some small bits and pieces.
Also, does it have a title? _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
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JerryMCarter1 Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 6199 Location: N.W. Phoenix
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just give it to someone
Maybe they could get after it !
Jerry _________________ Experience always triumphs over hearsay and You get to select which theory to believe |
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7vw3 Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Erie PA (North East)
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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If the dash is in even half-way descent shape with no cracks, you shouldn't scrap it. Same with the frame head. There are a few parts on a Super that are either ridiculously expensive to replace, or are no longer made. just for those reasons some one should either come and save it, or take it apart and save those pieces. |
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EXJAY Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2009 Posts: 1109 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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7vw3 wrote: |
If the dash is in even half-way descent shape with no cracks, you shouldn't scrap it. Same with the frame head. There are a few parts on a Super that are either ridiculously expensive to replace, or are no longer made. just for those reasons some one should either come and save it, or take it apart and save those pieces. |
Yea, how are the bumper shocks? _________________ EXJAY
'74 Superbeetle (Family owned since new)
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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I'll post some pics soon. The body has no rust free panels except maybe the roof. I had to spray the door hinges with PB Blaster to even get them open.
He kept it in good shape and always got things fixed immediately, but that's a moot point since the whole car was let go. The dash is fine I think since all the glass is intact, and the bumper shocks too since he never had more than a fender bump in it.
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EXJAY Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2009 Posts: 1109 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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the 74 SB had alot of one year only parts that are no longer available in the aftermarket or very hard to find. do some research before you decide to junk any parts. Im sure there are plenty of us on here that are looking for parts. _________________ EXJAY
'74 Superbeetle (Family owned since new)
'73 181 Thing (sold) |
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marklock Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2011 Posts: 118 Location: SE Michigan
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I maybe interested in some parts, let me know if you part it. Hell I may take the whole thing if the price is right. |
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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EXJAY wrote: |
the 74 SB had alot of one year only parts that are no longer available in the aftermarket or very hard to find. do some research before you decide to junk any parts. Im sure there are plenty of us on here that are looking for parts. |
Don't worry, I'm sensitive to junking usable items... I've watched parts I had been looking for get shredded before
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Sorry for the delay, my father was taken to emergency and admitted, and we've been dealing with that for the last week or so. However, he did confirm he will let the bug go. Here's some phone pics. I'll put up a FS ad in a few days if you guys think that's the best way to go.
Paul
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TurKuaz Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2006 Posts: 89 Location: North Cyprus
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: |
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It is a shame to let her go after all these years. I have seen cars in far worst conditions being restored. I believe you can fix this yourself with a few tools and some helping hands.
How bad are the channels and floorpans? My bug had shit loads of rust when i stripped her down, I couldn't weld but I learnt. My old man is a car restorer so he helped when he could and I learnt alot from the guys on this forum.
If you are apt with tools and good with following instructions and want to keep this car in the family then I believe that it can be done with time, dedication and patient as well as a little money.
You are fortunate that you live in the states, parts are readily available and are at a reasonable price. It also seems that you have space in your yard which means you have somewhere to work. I suggest that you ask a local mechanic to take a look at the engine or open up another post requesting help on how to get her started.
I had the same problem you did and this link got my engine started:
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/htm/eng_strt.htm
All the best with your decision, if you do let her go I do hope you wont scarp her but pass her on to some who would make use of her.
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EXJAY Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2009 Posts: 1109 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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That looks borderline in my book to tackle a resto. Hows the floors/channels? Hopefully you will find it a good home but if you gotta scrap her be sure to remove alot of the OE pieces such as hubcaps, turn lens, trim, (those bumper rubber strips arnt cheap), and what ever is good inside. Im sure you could be a good donor to keep another SB on the road if anything. _________________ EXJAY
'74 Superbeetle (Family owned since new)
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JerryMCarter1 Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 6199 Location: N.W. Phoenix
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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This car has to have sedimental value or else you should not touch it !
For every dollar you put into it you’re going to get $.25 back.
I hope you have lots of money and you have some very excellent welding skills,-- and be a master body man and mechanic.
You are also going to need several years of work and a garage to do it in!
I see well over a thousand hours of free labor and well over $6,000 in materials
Good Luck
Jerry _________________ Experience always triumphs over hearsay and You get to select which theory to believe |
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19super73 Hardcore Stock Nazi
Joined: October 18, 2007 Posts: 4351 Location: Cité Soleil
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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TurKuaz wrote: |
I believe that it can be done with time, dedication and patient as well as a little money. |
I agree with that, but he does not have money for parts or else it would be a driver right now. He's wanted to get it restored ever since the mid 80's, he even wanted to get the engine work done, but never could come up any money for parts due to health issues. However I'm glad we did not tear it down without funding, or else the title of this thread would be "What to do with boxes of scattered parts"
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You are fortunate that you live in the states, parts are readily available and are at a reasonable price. It also seems that you have space in your yard which means you have somewhere to work. I suggest that you ask a local mechanic to take a look at the engine or open up another post requesting help on how to get her started. |
The space is in a place where any new parts would likely get stripped, and no tools could be kept there. As far as the engine is concerned; it's locked and will not turn over with a wrench on the crank pulley. The engine work is not a problem, as I'm a former racing mechanic and just rebuilt the 1600 DP in our Ghia which is running beautifully. That project took up what disposable income I had, and as it is, my paycheck supports my own family in addition to paying bills for my father and brother.
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All the best with your decision, if you do let her go I do hope you wont scarp her but pass her on to some who would make use of her. |
I prefer to get her to someone who has the resources and ambition to either restore it or use the parts to keep another alive.
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:13 am Post subject: |
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JerryMCarter1 wrote: |
This car has to have sedimental value or else you should not touch it !
For every dollar you put into it you’re going to get $.25 back.
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Although I rode all over the country in the back seat in this car, my father has the biggest emotional attachment and he's not long for this world, unfortunately. Restoring for profit would be a lost cause as you pointed out.
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You are also going to need several years of work and a garage to do it in!
I see well over a thousand hours of free labor and well over $6,000 in materials
Good Luck
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No available garage space, and your estimate seems about right!
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2904 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: |
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EXJAY wrote: |
That looks borderline in my book to tackle a resto. Hows the floors/channels? Hopefully you will find it a good home but if you gotta scrap her be sure to remove alot of the OE pieces such as hubcaps, turn lens, trim, (those bumper rubber strips arnt cheap), and what ever is good inside. Im sure you could be a good donor to keep another SB on the road if anything. |
The pans are gone, as are probably the heater channels. Roof and the deck lid are pretty solid though
If there are no takers of the complete car, and I have to scrap it, I'll be pulling parts and keeping the engine instead of letting someone run the whole thing through a shredder. If the engine case is not shot, it will be the foundation for a spare engine.
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JerryMCarter1 Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 6199 Location: N.W. Phoenix
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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this is my final my man!
I would never sell that car ----
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absolutley never ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Jerry _________________ Experience always triumphs over hearsay and You get to select which theory to believe |
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