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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a swing away fuel and hilift carrier is a great idea

I was curious if a super syphon would work to move fuel from the swing mounted fuel can. I think it will, as long as the fuel can is mounted upright, not sideways.. (or do the sideways mounts not spill fuel when you remove the cap on a full can?)

some idea of the height of the syncro filler compared to the bottom of the fuel can, for syphoning purposes:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon_slider wrote:
I was curious if a super syphon would work to move fuel from the swing mounted fuel can.


The super syphon will work at any level (been there, done it) but it's much easier to get it started and working without interruption at height like in your second pic. I have a Gary Lee ladder rack with two removable jerry can mounts that places them both mostly higher than the vanagon fuel intake.

Carb spouts ... I never have nor will I ever purchase one of those cans. Fortunately I can still find the older, better (safer) style up here although one has to search a bit. But I already have my stash of Sceptors, German & US Wedco styles, Blitzs, and plastic Gotts to last me.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

> What are some good jerry can hold downs on the market. We really don't want to build soemthing from scratch.. Looking for straps, cages, what have you,.. that can be incorporated into the build.

Im considering a Gary Lee Ladder with gas can, water can, and hi lift holder, cost $750 (I already have his tire swing)
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he has a nice removable fuel can mount, but it does not secure the lid from poaching (Gary sells a lock to prevent the can being removed):
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/gascan/gascan.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my Gary Lee ladder/carriers I use any good bicycle cable or chain wrapped around the handles and ladder rung.

To prevent unworthy siphoning I use a thinner cable that wraps through the lid on the wedco style cans in your last pic and then through that lower center hole in front of the can handle.

For the Blitz's I have a large, long screwdriver with a broken tip that I use on the flat screw lids with raised prongs to cinch it down so no one can unscrew by hand ... they'll have to get a similar tool which buys a little time.

The Scepters are the most vulnerable ... I have no secure method other than to use one of those cages with lockable top bar.

In circumstances like at trail heads where I may be gone a while I'll just move the cans inside, cover them with a thin black utility blanket, and try to make it all look like there's nothing underneath worthy of breaking and entering for as in a messy interior.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon_slider wrote:
I think a swing away fuel and hilift carrier is a great idea

I was curious if a super syphon would work to move fuel from the swing mounted fuel can. I think it will, as long as the fuel can is mounted upright, not sideways.. (or do the sideways mounts not spill fuel when you remove the cap on a full can?)

some idea of the height of the syncro filler compared to the bottom of the fuel can, for syphoning purposes:


Hey Jon can you give me the measurements of that coleman stove again , I dont know what I did with them. I am sure you are understanding about this because you have seen my desk and office. lol
I want to see if I can incorporate a nice fit in the tray for both , jerry cans and the stove.
so it can be used in the swung out position while camping to cook with the stove without falling off or having to be tied down. Of coarse this is with the gas cans removed in case anyone is wondering , or not for those that are into excitement .


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Burley,

stoves vary, you might want to ask your customer what size they use..

here are a couple Coleman dimensions

http://www.rei.com/product/723280/coleman-2-burner-stove
23.25 x 14.75 x 5.5 inches

http://www.rei.com/product/723285/coleman-instastart-table-top-grill
21 x 13 x 4 inches

My Sceptre gas can is 14" wide, 18.5" tall, and 6.25" deep. I do not have a spout for it.

Whatever I use to transfer fuel to the tank, siphon hose, spout, or funnel, needs outside storage too. A super syphon in a ziplock, or military pouch of some sort, strapped to the handles?

Two fuel cans vertical (one water, one fuel maybe) would have a 14" wide, and 12.5" deep footprint. I think a coleman could sit on a base that size, with parts of it hanging over.

here is how I carry the spout on my Nato Cans, this one is a 2.5 Gallon, but I also have a 5 gallon (the spout can easily get dirty on the back of the Van, but could be bagged):
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and here is the way I have carried a solar shower and fuel can, using a nylon webbing harness around the can and fastened through the luggage rack tiedowns. I never felt it would hold in a collision.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My previous generation Coleman stove measures ~21.25Lx13.00W

My Weber Q100 BBQ foot print would fit inside that.

My toolbox is 28" (Stanley) wide and fairly typical of toolboxes.. I have a old Craftsmen that is of similar dimension.


I measure the Burley driver side tire mount frame is ~26" wide... I don't have a strong opinion on how wide to make the tray.. 3 jerry cans will fit in a 26" wide tray.. correct?

Me, personally.. the jerry can fit is of greater importance.. and if a 28+ tray can be fashioned that doesn't compromise the function of the swing away.. Well thats just a bonus.

Function = No. 1.

Thanks for taking the time to digest all these comments, Burl.

cheers,
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

j_dirge wrote:
My previous generation Coleman stove measures ~21.25Lx13.00W

My Weber Q100 BBQ foot print would fit inside that.

My toolbox is 28" (Stanley) wide and fairly typical of toolboxes.. I have a old Craftsmen that is of similar dimension.


I measure the Burley driver side tire mount frame is ~26" wide... I don't have a strong opinion on how wide to make the tray.. 3 jerry cans will fit in a 26" wide tray.. correct?

Me, personally.. the jerry can fit is of greater importance.. and if a 28+ tray can be fashioned that doesn't compromise the function of the swing away.. Well thats just a bonus.

Function = No. 1.

Thanks for taking the time to digest all these comments, Burl.

cheers,
jim


First of all I want to thank all of you for taking the time to get these measurements for us , especially Jon who did it twice for me.
I do believe with everyone's input we can build a great unit that will hold what we all want to carry.
He's what I am thinking : a fold down shelf frame made from angle material so it has a lip. It will measure 14'' x 26'' , longer if it can be done and look nice , not looking like a size 12 foot in a size 8 shoe.
Do you guys want a solid bottom , or a bottom made from mesh so the dirt , water , crap etc falls through. Either way it will have some cross members and so forth for the necessary strength.
I am currently trying to dream up a nice hold down system for the cans.
Input is welcome.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like posting pictures
Here is I believe GoWesty's Taylor's implementation
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what i knocked together:)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice how Burley builds it strong.This way it helps spread the load throughout the whole D-pillar. Just saying! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy syncro-nutz wrote:
Here is what i knocked together:)


Andy -- how did you attach the jerry can carrier to the swing-away bars ? Is it welded on ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about those RotoPax?
http://www.rotopax.com/3-Gallon-Gasoline.html

Anyone use them?

One major plus for me is the 3 gallon smaller/lighter size.
I'd want to carry 3 for 9 gallons reserve, probably.. so a bit priceir.. but not much when factoring in carriers/tie downs.

And how about those tie downs?
Thoughts?

If they work, that's a fairly clean set up.
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That isn't taylor's van, he is a GW mechanic but I forgot his name. A big tip off is that taylor's van is red not brown.
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For the price you can almost buy 4 new jerry cans that would hold 20 gallons. Shocked
I don't have any direct experience with the rotopax cans. They are very modular, but you definitely take a hit on the cost.
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syncrodoka wrote:
That isn't taylor's van, he is a GW mechanic but I forgot his name. A big tip off is that taylor's van is red not brown.
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For the price you can almost buy 4 new jerry cans that would hold 20 gallons. Shocked
I don't have any direct experience with the rotopax cans. They are very modular, but you definitely take a hit on the cost.


IIRC.....that is Randal's van.
And a very nice one at that Exclamation
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Yeah, that is his name.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For the price you can almost buy 4 new jerry cans that would hold 20 gallons. Shocked
I don't have any direct experience with the rotopax cans. They are very modular, but you definitely take a hit on the cost.

Yeah. I hear you.. For capacity they are almost 2x the cost.

Pros..
Plastic = no rust, smaller easier to handle size
Cons..
UV deterioration. Cost. Stuck with Rotopax sizing if building a mount into the swing away.

However the Rotopax mounts are not that expensive and when factoring in the cost of a good sttel can mount, we may be gettig back into similar costs.

I have no clue how robust those twist lock mounts are. And locking then? hmmm.

I like the 3 gallon size.. Last thing I need, is to wrench my back lifting a 40 pound can..

I shot an email to Burl to ask what he thinks about mounting these Rotopax.. we shall see.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have no clue how robust those twist lock mounts are. And locking then? hmmm.


They're made from aluminium, and they have a few options with locks built in:

http://www.rotopax.com/Mounting-Hardware/

I currently have several NATO-sized cans, but every time I lift one my back reminds me that I'll eventually need something lighter per unit. Perhaps then I'll change to something like the Rotopax units.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been trying to decide on a single large tire carrier vs. two smaller ones.

I want my spare on one side and was thinking about building a modular rack on the other side. I would like to make it so I can put skis or bikes mounted vertically or jerry cans with fuel and water if it's a long distance trip.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh like the frontrunner stuff Very Happy
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