tire rub against upper control arm

presslab · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:02 am Post subject:

Is there a groove worn in the actual sidewall after your 2000 miles? Or is it just the raised lettering? I wouldn't worry so much if it's just the lettering.

As mentioned, take off a lug nut and count the turns it takes before it's tight. I aim to get 7 turns on my nuts. Confused

Any excess turns means you can add that size spacer, say you have 10 turns, that means you can have a (10 - 7) * 1.5 = 4.5mm spacer.
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targis58 · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject:

no groove yet but marks on the letters as well as on the black wall.

I get 12 turns on my lug. So i am going for 3mm spacer for a quick fix for now.

thanks

P.S. Is there any disadvantage of adding spacers to the van I should consider?
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targis58 · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject:

levi · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject:

Vango Conversions · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject:

If you hadn't noticed any problems with your tires rubbing when you first got them, your ball joints may have worn out recently. In your photo I think I may have seen a crack in the boot so it's a good idea to check it out. Try jacking up the front of the van, grabbing the wheel at 12 and 6 o'clock and seeing if there is any slop. It could also be a sloppy wheel bearing.

You may also want to experiment with your tire pressure to see if you can reduce the bulge in the sidewall. Maybe over time you lost a little pressure and that's causing the tire to bulge more? I'd try both higher and lower psi to see if that helps.

You could also remove a little material from the control arm with a file or grinder, but be careful, you don't want to weaken it any.

A small spacer should take care of things but if this problem just recently reared it's head, something has changed and you want to make sure to take care of it before changing something else. Good luck.

Christopher Schimke · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject:

davevickery · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject:

insyncro · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject:

sub-hatchtim · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:19 am Post subject:

I'm having the same issue with my front tires contacting the upper control arms

I just need to run spacers for a short time, my tires barely contact the control arm but inspection wont pass me with this issue

I want to run these for a VERY short time will I need longer lug bolts with the 5mm spacer

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j_dirge · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:18 am Post subject:

madspaniard · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:54 am Post subject:

j_dirge · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:27 am Post subject:

madspaniard · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:18 am Post subject:

Hi Jim,

yes, the first modification was just minor due to small spec differences between mid and late Westy models, he just did some minor grinding adjustmenets where the spacers go to attach the arms to the van.

The rubbing is a different issue probably related to going from stock tire size to 215s. I have ET 30 Rhein wheels.

Here is a pic I took a while ago with my phone and a flashlight when the van was off the ground, look at the dark circle on the inner side of the tire. The pic was taken with straight front tires so there is no contact as it looks, contact only happens with tires turned all the way in and only at the back end of that rounded lip protruding from the arm.

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Jon_slider · Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:02 am Post subject:

Below are the inch diameters of the various tire sizes being discussed: (please correct me if your tire diameter is different than the ones I looked up)

you folks may want to track your fender to axle height data, when reporting rubbing with whatever tire and UCA you have. You might also consider you rim width and offset. I believe madspaniard and targis 58 both have Rhein rims, 6.5" wide, ET 30. FWIW the stock 14" alloy rim is 6" wide, ET 30..

here are the tire dimensions

stock 205x70x14 = 25.4" no custom fitment required
madspaniard 215x70x15 = 27" edit: no rubbing with stock UCA, Burleys UCA rubs.
targis58 215x75x15 = 27.8" custom fitment required (possible lift, or spacers, probably not Burleys UCA needed)
jdirge 225x75x16 = 29.3" not relevant to stock configuration, extensive mods required (possibly including front fender modifications)

Ball joint spacers did not prevent targis58's 27.8" tires from rubbing..

And madspaniard has tire rubbing with Burleys UCA's, with a 27" tire, so I dont think telling targis58 to use Burleys arms, will solve the problem.

madspaniard · Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:16 am Post subject:

I didn't mention this before but my tires were not rubbing on the stock UCAs, rubbing was detected when I switched to Burley's tubular arms.

17.5" from fender to axle with Burley arms, early generation of syncro.org springs and spring pads in back to counter Westy lean.
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j_dirge · Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:06 am Post subject:


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