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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hey tstracy39:

are the "buffable metallic finishes in a little spray can" made by Testors?

Yeah. I forget what they're called exactly, "Metallizer" spray or something like that. Last time I bought some they had aluminum and stainless steel, I forget what else. If the trim is some kind of vinyl plastic, paint it with any clear acrylic sealer before using the model paint.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yep i make them . for mike and i dont know what he has in stock.
they suck to make and if your thinking of stainless your in for a migraine...
i have blank stock for a new run . bug mike for a few sets so he will order a production run.
i did make the matching radio plate and the rare radio block off one as well. idont have either adv..there a bitch to make and you cheap basterds never want to spend mula so...


Copello,

How much we talking here? I have a set of your moldings but would love a radio face plate to go with them!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news on where to get these? I understand that the billit made ones might no longer be available due to cost, but does anybody know of anyone who makes a cheaper (as in original plastic) version? seems like they would be easy to mould, and could be a good money maker for someone...

If not, then does anyone have any suggestions for a suitable alternative?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are is process of restoring a '66 Vert and we need almost complete set. But I'm sure that we will not buy these, so we need to make some Smile Time will tell.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobnorman wrote:
Does anybody know of anyone who makes a cheaper (as in original plastic) version? seems like they would be easy to mould, and could be a good money maker for someone...

If not, then does anyone have any suggestions for a suitable alternative?


Hi Bob,

In theory what you say sounds right but in reality the cost of making moulds is very high and they have a limited life. As for a money maker, nope. In low volumes this experiment is a sink hole for money, just like almost everything else in the vintage car restoration hobby.

I have been exploring the option of 3D printing these in metalised simulated ABS . I spent $1000 of my own money to have my set 3D scanned resulting in a very good CAD drawing of a complete set including an uncut centre piece over the radio block off plate.

From that I have obtained a quote from a manufacturer in Australia who can make them. The quote for 10 sets of left hand drive and 10 right hand drive sets is around $6000 AUD for the whole production run. (20 sets) this puts it at about $300 AUD per set plus post and packing. If I made 40 then the unit cost will reduce but that would require considerable interest from that small part of the Ghia community who want these '66 only examples.

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The billet option, made in China will be more expensive than the John Copello examples which is testimony of his dedication and very very reasonable charges. He is cheaper than the "high tech" solution I have found so far

So if anyone is seriously interested in doing this I will need committed numbers with money paid up front. I would need to recover costs and will pay for my own set like everyone else. I do not particularly want to manage any less committed individuals who are slow to cough up or want to make any sort of discount deal. If the final product turns out to be not to your liking, well that would unfortunate but all part of the experiment of making a version 0.1 reproduction.

Does anyone have their hand up?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. That’s a much more high tech/high dollar solution then I was considering. I was thinking about using an original set to make a mould, rather than milling them from CAD.

I figure someone could make a silicone mould and mix and epoxy or similar resin to pour a few of these out. Quite a few years ago I made my own beetle radio knobs using epoxy tinted with ivory paint, though I can’t recall now what I used to make the mould. I realize though that this is more of a one or two-off answer.

At $300+ per set, I’d have to put some thought into it. I’ve got a few years yet before they’ll be needed, but am always looking.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sets still show up in the classifieds every once in a while.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking about making them using something like this, however , I need a set to use to make the mould...and , if I had a set I wouldn't need to make them now would I!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bob,
I have a full set LHD but I'm in Australia and my car is RHD. I'm not ready to sell my set just yet. I have extra pieces purchased over the years from adverts in the samba that I might need for this reproduction experiment.

Thanks for offering that mould solution. It looks interesting. On a similar vein, I've seen home injection moulding set ups that could achieve the desired result. I'm going to explore those and other options because the cost needs to come down as evidenced by the underwhelming number of people who have stepped up with interest and money so far.

I have a set of Mr Copello's billet trim that I can use on my car but I should focus on finishing the car and later do research on small volume plastic reproductions and in time replace the aluminium with something more authentic in appearance.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike and me have dicussing another run of the dash trim sets...go to the hog site and encourage him to get his butt moving..unless that whole silicone thing worked..snicker snicker. O and china called said fine to make but u have to make 399 thousand sets .for all 8 of the orders mikes gona get..... idiots
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

copellos wrote:
snicker snicker.


Totally agree. it ain't an easy thing to do.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..... idiots


Nobody else is asking, so I will, who you calling "idiots"?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I thought it was a pretty good idea. They were originally plastic after all, and I have seen plastic parts made from silicone moulds.
Advantage of using moulds rather than milling them, is you get an exact copy of the original part, and i'd say it would be cheaper and probably easier to do.
Just sayin’ it is worth a shot… you know being inventive and improvising, much like the original owners of our cars used to do… Smile nothing wrong with that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think John was referencing how the chinese who have those ridiculous volume quotas and don't accept piece work. At least that's how I interpret Johns words
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Copello has just announced a new batch of his billet 66 Dash trim... for order through Mike at House of Ghia

John's post: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5809350#5809350
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I made my first attempt at casting a piece of dash trim in urathane from an original piece. It’s not bad for a first attempt, but I learned a lot, so I think the next one will be better. It really wasn't that hard to do. Sorry for the crappy cell pics.
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I bought a 66 glovebox door from a Samba member, it had a piece of og dash trim still attached, but it was very fragile and had a few pieces missing from it.
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I patched up the missing bits using playdoh, and made a two part cast of it from plaster, which is not the way to go, I’ve got some more appropriate material that I’ll use for the next one.

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I put in some stainless screws at the last minute. ..not sure if this is the way to go yet.
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Cool that it’s an exact copy, even some of the detail from the og like this number transferred (hard to see in the og).

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Painted it up with silver spray , then taped the center and sprayed again with “chrome” spray. As I said, not perfect yet, but not bad for a first time.

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I think I’ll cut this piece up, and try to make the other four pieces using photos from here, I can trial fit them to my dash.
Once I’ve got the mould made I’ll be able to make a bunch of these.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, and Snicker Snicker... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I decided to try to make the piece between the gauges. I don’t have an original to make a mould, so I decide to make a piece from leftovers from my first test and using pictures here to try to guess the right size and shape. I also don’t have access to the Ghia dash right now, so this is totally “With Guesswork”. Apologies once again for the terrible cell pics.

Looking at the picture in this thread showing the backside of all the trim pieces, I measured the size on screen, averaged top and bottom to allow for the tilt, and came up with 20mm wide x 30mm long, scaled that up using the trim piece I had, it worked out to 33 x 49mm, but I may be off a bit (if someone has some of these handy, I’d much appreciate some exact lengths).

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Anyway, I took my best guess at the curve, I’ll find out if I was close when i can get out to the ghia again.

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Shaped most of it using some 150 emery paper taped to the radius of a roll of duct tape, then smoothed it out with 600. masking tape roll gave me consistant height for bevel on both ends.

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Painted it with silver spray, taped the centre then sprayed the edges “chrome” (didn’t really need to paint this one though)

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So, if this one is accurate, I’ll fit some pegs to the back and use it to once again make a mould, then I can cast this one as well...
2 down… Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dash trim sets are finished...these are the 6 piece sets the use the radio plate. House of Ghia has them .john
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

copellos wrote:
The dash trim sets are finished...these are the 6 piece sets the use the radio plate. House of ghia has them .john


Can't find them in HOG page, can anyone point me. Thanks!
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